The Incel phenomenon: psychiatric typing between social phobia, paranoia, and dysmorphophobia

Among the modern phenomena there is also that of those (heterosexual males) who are unable to have a satisfying erotic life, and are thus indirectly disadvantaged or excluded from contexts such as paternity and the marital family (involuntary celibate).
However, exclusion is not linked to chance, and is not limited in time, but is systematic and dependent on some key factors that lead women to prefer some men to others:

• physical attractiveness,
• the availability of money, e
• popularity / social status.

This, which I personally would classify as a “ Nice discovery! ”, And referred to as LMS theory .
Furthermore, in choosing each other, there would be little reciprocal, because in reality we are faced with herds of men with low selectivity (who would not go with any available woman, but almost) and women who instead exercise true selectivity, discarding opportunities every day. and sexual offers, potential or concrete.
In other words, we are not “equal” in the search for a sexual partner, women win it as they are more sought and seek less: this is the second “Beautiful discovery!”, Called the ” Red Pill ” theory.
To adhere to this surprising vision of the world are a series of people united by the lack of success in the sentimental and sexual fields, who are however different on the mental level.

There is a category of people who do not live their disadvantage in a resigned way, but who try to improve themselves, to increase their score.
To do this in a scientific way, real ways of quantifying beauty have been developed, to find out how many minimum and maximum possibilities a man who starts at a disadvantage has. At this point we begin to distinguish different types of subjects who share this vision of the world:

1. those who consider themselves ugly , physically, and also unattractive for other factors, which they cannot use to compensate for poor physical beauty.
2. Those who do not consider themselves ugly , but unfortunately have not been successful with women, and believe that this derives from an marginalizing, excluding, penalizing attitude of women towards them.
   Some just don’t know why. Others, on the other hand, carefully research the reasons, and study them in relation to the general theories that regulate social and erotic success or failure.
   In their research, therefore, they do not identify “obvious” reasons, such as ugliness or stupidity, for which they create the idea that there is almost a sort of “conspiracy” against them, or word of mouth, or a game of slaughter, or simply there are chains of events that fatally produce their exclusion from the chances of erotic success. Ultimately, they believe that the world itself is a sadistic system that forces them to stay “out” of erotic success, and for this they end up blaming others, part of the conspiracy or otherwise so stupid and evil that they do not understand that the rules of game should be changed.
3. Those who would not even know if they are beautiful or ugly , but they know they have something that keeps them away from women, not so much because of a choice of women, but because of their fear ( gynophobia ) also matured as a consequence of previous failures or lack of success .
   Their attitude towards women is to suffer from the absence of relationships, but to exclude a real relationship with them, as “phobic” and therefore as such recognizable and losers, or destined not to know how to manage a courtship.
   However, they consider themselves unfairly marginalized, as a result of a selection that rewards the extrovert, the self-confident, the assertive. So they acknowledge that they are “afraid” of women, but partly or wholly attribute this to a system of things that penalizes them.

The three corresponding diagnoses are:

1. dysmorphophobia , in its direct (physical, bodily) or side (including character, way of doing things, popularity, social palatability, qualities etc);
2. paranoia , i.e. a distorted perception of the attitude of others, to which a hostile or mocking or conditioning quality is attributed, believing that it is willed and targeted (to oneself, against oneself), even if no plausible motives or explanations are identified , because it is perceived that it is in any case evident in this way. Sufferers obviously do not believe that things are this way, but believe that they have managed to understand that others are “against” where one could simply interpret it as “a chance”, a misfortune, coincidences etc .;
3. social phobia , which is distinguished from dysmorphophobia because the social phobic has a certain awareness that the issue lies largely in his fear of women, and does not think that there is something “really” wrong on an objective level.

Now, in any case there is a component of mental functioning which aggravates the syndromes, and which is almost always present in the neurotic forms, namely dysmorphophobia (a) and paranoia (b): the obsessive component, which means that tendency. analytic that pushes you to bring the problems in a precise and punctual way, to find the premises and the consequences according to a complete logic.
In this way the “theories” of beauty and success are built, which will never help, because they are theories that strike the nail where it is already planted.
For example, a phobic, even if he thinks all day about why he cannot conquer a woman, only derives theories that “explain” why he is disadvantaged, but he will never be able to work out one to win with, simply because his phobia keep away from the desired object. He is afraid to try, to expose himself, to get involved in a simple and basic way, so the more he thinks about it, the more he will end up simply finding good justifications for his failure. I would say very thin consolation.
The “paranoid” component (b) of these theories on beauty was made famous by the case of Elliot Rodger, author of a massacre of young people who he considered “successful” and almost united to keep him out of sexual life, ” forcibly celibate ” ( in-cel ).
In the videos he produced, one of which during the episode, before committing suicide, we can clearly see both the position of Rodger, who does not claim to be ugly and unpleasant, but rather to be theoretically the “perfect gentleman”, what every woman should want and appreciate. Whereas he believes that women appreciate other qualities, cheap and not better defined, so in a certain sense courting them becomes like offering pearls to pigs. The second evident element is that the way of speaking, the expressiveness, recall a “flat” emotionality, not depressive, but probably disconnected from communication with the world.
He probably could not communicate with others, and somehow felt “pushed out” by others, for whom he felt only hatred and anger, except being biologically forced to feel attraction to women. It is likely that this blocked affectivity of his was the main factor that perhaps made him appear “odd” (weird) or “weird” (strange with a negative meaning) or “spooky” (disturbing).

It is possible that the social dimension amplifies this type of pathology, because competition, comparison, competing for a result, having to define oneself in the midst of a mass (or stand out, or keep pace with others by equaling them) is a factor stressful that brings out various disorders, affective, anxious and psychotic.
The more community life takes place in a collective and unanimous way, the more this factor can enhance the difference between those who manage to give their best in a group, and those who give nothing in a group (the timid, the anxious, the phobic).
It is therefore not surprising that certain themes are amplified by the era in which sociality is a thousand times amplified by the virtual level.
The therapeutic perspective is of a different kind.
Easier for phobics , who initially may not want to cure themselves because they are afraid that – by taking care of themselves – they will be induced to undergo tests that are then destined to fail (a vision from the inside of the phobia, in which for the moment it is better to give up than to expose oneself).
More difficult for dysmorphophobics, who are already more convinced of the validity of their idea, ie they deem it useless to be more positive and possible if they are so “ugly”, and defend their condition by clinging to the concept of “objective problem”, which should be solved.
Typically they are interested in cosmetic surgery or have performed interventions, they are interested in physical culture to improve the body etc. with negative results with respect to the general purpose. Their attitude towards those who question their view of things is skeptical if not oppositional.
The paranoid are obviously the most difficult to “approach”, as they are sure of what they think, and can simply react to a treatment proposal with “then she doesn’t believe me”, “she thinks I’m crazy”, or something like that. Being a disturbance of perception and idea formation, it is clear that it does not see itself. A pity, since in reality treatments for paranoia are probably slow but possible.
At the therapeutic level, it can be said that in any case the common goal is the prevention of chronicity, the worsening of awareness and the development of “actively” avoiding or hostile attitudes (misogyny, gynophobia).
See also the report on the Hyenas
and the documentary on the Santa Barbara massacre on the subject:

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# 10

Yes, the problem remains very “basic”. The theory that men and women are odd indeed is a nice discovery. You may not like it, but it also becomes part of the game. It is clear that the uninterested buyer negotiates better. And obviously a certain type of meetings are done well if you don’t want to do them, but you expose yourself to occasions in which at some point they happen.

# 11

Femdom practices
If a person opens sites dedicated to pornography and automatic they open up a variety of varieties that is easy to discover. But the point, even here, is that porn, for example, is made for the viewer, it is not a representation of the modalities of relationships as they take place on average. For many, it becomes conditioning.

# 12

User 171XXX
January 13, 2020

By “conditioning” means, I guess, that those who follow porn feel forced or pushed to practice a sex that generally does not exist on average in reality, or because it requires performances out of the ordinary, or for the length of the relationship, or for unusual practices
Then deriving frustration ..

# 13

User 545XXX
January 13, 2020

It is curious that you first define the idea that women are attracted by looks and socioeconomic status as a “nice discovery” and then you end up considering those who complain of not finding women because they lack these qualifications as mentally ill. Decide doctor, it seems a bit confused!

# 14

User 525XXX
January 13, 2020

As the person who sent me this link pointed out, it is typical of dictatorships to brand dissidents (in a broad sense) or marginalized as crazy (ps don’t take literally the meaning of the terms I used : I don’t think there is any conspiracy against anyone).
In fact, the doctor (among other things) evades a question: we do not have the right to rebel (from a moral or intellectual point of view) against the fact that there is this asymmetry in the possibility of relational life, between men and women
. article line by line, but frankly I’m tired: the incel or redpill question is part of the so-called male question.
The luminary who wrote this “article”, tell me what you think of the thought of Warren Farrel, Jordan Peterson, or Santiago Gasco Altaba (authors who are slightly better known than who wrote the article and kindly tell me in which points does not agree or there would be “conspiracy”).
Before writing on any topic, it would be good to read up seriously (I have mentioned some authors who are essential to address these issues).
And if you have not done so, humbly admit it

# 15

User 171XXX
January 14, 2020

Right to rebel against what
A mechanisms that have worked like this for, tens of thousands of years

# 16

“It is curious that you first define” beautiful discovery “the the idea that women are attracted to looks and socioeconomic status and then ends up considering those who complain of not finding women because they lack these qualifications as mentally ill. Decide doctor, it seems a bit confused! ”
No, he didn’t understand anything. Reread it and maybe it will get there in a while, I didn’t say that mental illness consists of this, a little more effort.

# 17

I’m sorry but the last ones who wrote didn’t understand a thing. But what dissidents
But dissidents from that
Everyone is more or less in agreement with this “theory”, or in any case things are essentially in an odd way. So please, you are used to reading too fast, or not considering anything other than what criticizes and opposes you. Let’s go further.
And we learn education.

# 18

User 171XXX
January 14, 2020

This mania for wanting to investigate, change or mess up values, or aspects of humanity that have existed for millennia (gender theory, this redpill theory which, if I understand correctly, “disputes” the fact that women are attracted to power, wealth, beauty , the same subversion of roles for which women are now conquerors), in my opinion it will lead us on a very ugly slope

# 19

The final question is that if I take a problem and create a theory behind it, pretending that only for this reason things can change, in the meantime I have already made a jump to conclusions. But then, above all, the point lies in the fact that everything is derived from a limit and a disparity, to which it adapts without choosing to do it, nor without finding it so absurd to do so. Of course, compared to total freedom, it is absurd that there are limits, but these are the absurd hypotheses, in fact. The ways are generally: to improve one’s ability to get what one wants, or to aim for a radical change in things. In this case we simply take the problem, give it a new name, with theories to which we give different names, and then present it as a “discovery” of why we are sick, in this, arguing that the part of the world that perhaps lives well this condition should change in a disadvantageous way to meet those who are disadvantaged. Or simply to give a basis to what exists. As if to say: now that I know why, I’m going to get over it. But no. On the contrary, there is a risk of making a reason for an oppositional and polemical attitude that worsens one’s ability to succeed.

# 20

User 124XXX
January 14, 2020

Dear Doctor,
what you call a “beautiful discovery” is actually not at all.
The family, the media, society in general, have made us grow up with the idea that by being good children, sitting composed, raising our hand before speaking, showing us good, generous, correct, helping others, our life. would have rewarded.
They made us grow up with the idea that to conquer our beloved it was enough to be smiling, spontaneous, self-confident. They made us grow up with the idea that women look at the character in a man, how bright he can be, and not things as materialistic and superficial as money and aesthetics.
The redpill and the LMS theory tear through this veil of hypocrisy that permeates the whole society. They tell you that you can be as nice and confident as you want, but if your loved one does not consider you handsome, rich, popular enough (roughly in this order of importance), with your sympathy and confidence you can clean your back. They tell you that no matter how hard you try, if you are not supported by good genetics, you will get nothing, and probably your 18 year old cousin with belfaccino and shy to the core will get more than you in over 30 years of brazen approaches in various situations.
But on the other hand, she only sells words. He is not a personal trainer, nor a plastic surgeon, nor a financial consultant, he cannot in any way increase the LMS of his patients, so he has every interest in passing more or less veiled the message that the cause of incelness and to be found in the mind, because this is functional to your business.
Imagine if a 30-year-old virgin man came into her office and dismissed him after 10 minutes with “My dear patient, your head is perfectly healthy. You are shunned by women simply because you look ugly.” You would lose a fair share of your customers.
Better to bring up phobias and mental disorders, so as to pluck him with years of useless therapy and psychotropic drugs.
If you want to deepen the incel and redpill issues, leave the national media that have sensationalism as their only interest and certainly not information.

# 21

User 171XXX
January 14, 2020

Mah, user 124842, but for the little experience I have, I have seen even the ugly and poor get married and get married

# 22

User 124XXX
January 14, 2020

User 171418, some questions:
– these men of which you speak were really as ugly as you say
I have seen some guys who are absolutely cute considered ugly just because they are not fit.
Esthetically judging people of the same sex is very difficult, especially if the media show you as “ugly” absolutely handsome men like Adrien Brody and Vincent Cassel
https://www.momentodonna.it/curiosita/vip-brutti-che-piacciono- the-same /
– their girls as they were
Because the LMS theory doesn’t say, as some believe, that if you are not a model you will never fuck and die a virgin. He says you attract women in quality and quality proportional to your LMS, with all due personalities, smiles and self-confidence, so if you are ugly, you will only find equally ugly women.
You would discover or show yourself around with a girl 1.50mx 120Kg tall, perhaps highly disadvantaged and ignorant like a goat
– these ugly married couples what kind of relationships they had
Were they relationships based on strong esteem and physical attraction for their partner, or they were relationships set up just for convenience
Because the biological clock runs, the child must do it by the age of 35, and the family insists on marrying you
So then if I don’t like my husband, I change him or just have some extramarital affair …
You would be happy knowing that your wife chose you because the guys she was in love with took her, used her and downloaded
That she is not with you because she is really in love, but because you were the “least worst” of those who buzzed around her who, in addition to wanting her body, also wanted a stable relationship
You would be happy knowing that today he has no attraction towards you and cuckolds you with someone cooler than you every time you turn your back
This is redpill … not the nonsense aired on Nemo.

# 23

User 171XXX
January 14, 2020

I am in a good mouth, maybe with a one and fifty no, but there are middle ways. It is not that there are only models or toilets
. Then, if you think that a marital relationship or cohabitation is based on physical appearance and that’s it, you are wrong, or at least you have never been married. That also counts, but I count 30/40% for me.
My wife, like everyone and all those I had, was taken, left, maybe even by people with whom she wanted to make a life, as happened to me
In that sense, we are all “second choices”, we have to resign ourselves.
Or do you really think that ALL married women are ready to cuckold their husbands, because maybe he has put on a belly

# 24

User 124XXX
January 14, 2020

For an ugly, the dwarf of 1.50x120Kg is the only realistic alternative to auto-eroticism and to die from alone and forgotten by all.
If you can afford better, good for you, it means that certain problems do not affect you that much, but this does not mean that everyone succeeds. Remember that when a woman begins a relationship with you, you are taking her away from one or more men who want her with all their might, men who may have been rejected hundreds of times, and from them who look at incel and LMS theories.
If you go with attractive girls without too much difficulty, you cannot understand the incel / redpill universe. It is like expecting that we, children of the civilized North of the world, understand the hunger and hardships that African children suffer every day.
A relationship is certainly not based ONLY on physical appearance, but a healthy and strong physical attraction and a necessary condition for the relationship not only to be born, but to renew itself over time.
The fact of being “second choices”, a fallback, and far from healthy in the long run.

# 25

Former User
January 15th 2020

Excuse my ignorance, but since the term was coined by an American girl in the late 90s with another meaning, because now this term has turned into a “political-like movement” – with extremes that lead to a negative connotation

Ve have you ever asked.

# 26

Former User
January 15th 2020

For Dr. PAcini it is true that not all involuntarily celibates are potential terrorists or sociopaths since the reasons why a person (a man, but also a woman) cannot have an active sex life are many and, most of the sometimes, they have nothing to do with the belief that an entire portion of the human race deserves sex. The most extreme incels, in fact, are convinced that no woman can be an incel herself, because, according to their distorted version of the world, a woman will always find some man willing to take her to bed. Behind a forced celibacy, however, there may be other reasons: the state of health, ethnic origin or geographical location, economic capacity, finally personal choice.
This is why perhaps in reality, at the heart of the incel phenomenon there is not a request for help but rather a badly hidden, and often violent, form of misogyny. Some of them are not interested in improving their condition, working on themselves and on their relationship with others, nor are they committed to breaking down all those barriers that in our society make people’s love life more difficult, especially when they do not align themselves with certain standards.
According to the radical incels, all the achievements made by women (such as the struggle for wage equality or laws in support of victims of violence) are a threat to social stability,
This type of man cannot be called loner, because he is not really interested in someone’s company, but he is whipped because he would like to possess, as if they were objects, all the most beautiful girls he happens to meet. The anonymity that the internet guarantees has contributed to making the posts of the angriest incels even more virulent and to foment a climate of misogyny which, in hindsight, affects the most disparate communities today. Just think of that of gaming (those who play video games online) or the comments that can be read under articles considered sensitive, concerning celebrities, women of power or much discussed news cases (often of rape).
As Catherine Bennett wrote in the Guardian, hatred of women is not confined to internet trolls, on the contrary it is something deeply rooted in our society: for this reason it is important to recognize it in all its forms and identify who and what allows this kind of attitude to proliferate. The incel ideology may seem borderline for extremists and personalities, but it is precisely in the cauldron of sexism that, sooner or later, something ends up turning into femicide. And that’s where we need to act. ”

# 27

Former user
January 21, 2020

After taking the trouble to read the policy applied (personal opinion I find it applicable on both sides), the forum and much more, Most likely I will never know an involuntarily declared celibate, but I would just like to remind him that the hands that will have the good fortune of meeting will not only guarantee solidity and balance but will also transmit human warmth. Hello.

# 28

User 573XXX
February 27, 2020 hi

doctor I was in therapy with a psychiatrist ospedae ​​of FERMO
long ago I had an appointment booked with the cup
and she forgot to come to the clinic and forgot me ….
and I reported it to the asl and I said GOODBYE
I am being treated with BIKTARVY and the psychotropic Risperidone 2mg (the much disputed drug) and the 2 drugs together make me a “Zombie”
it always takes me to sleep and I feel very weak and therefore I do NOT take it anymore and I am NOT a “zombie”. …. so much INDERAL 40mg and also used as a psychiatric drug and I take it.So I’m better!
Antiretrovirals DO NOT get along with Psychiatric Drugs
and no thanks to psychiatric visits! Thanks and best regards

# 29

The functions of inderal and risperidone are nowhere near comparable. If you do not tolerate a drug, contact a psychiatrist of your choice to ask for a therapy, not this do-it-yourself.
I do not understand why, in controversy with a disservice consisting of a missed appointment, he should give up the treatment, given that what he decided on his own initiative is not a cure.
I don’t know what the much-contested drug is.
If you have to talk about drugs, you talk about something, not about “psychiatric drugs” which means nothing. He spoke of risperidone, suddenly his negative experience must be extended to any psychiatric drug and then – second shot – to interactions with antivirals. God forbid it was not possible to combine them in general. Matching occurs on a case-by-case basis, so refrain from saying and writing false things.
PS of course, and this clarifies the nature of the problem very well, not that since in your opinion the association is not good, she has suspended the antiviral, she has suspended the drug that she does not understand, risperidone, inventing that to replace it, a totally different thing. This is because he thinks well about the viral disease. On his psychiatric illness, no.

# 30

User 573XXX
February 27, 2020

That’s why I no longer have relations with my psychiatrist and the psychiatrists I have not stopped treating AIDS and the psychiatrist and the infectious diseases department THEY told me that Risperisone
With the HIV / AIDS drug YOU strengthen the 100%
And I certainly don’t want to be a “Zombie”, not being able to do anything and sleep most of the time
No Thanks, I pass ….. and then you know when Bayer has to pay the patient who took Risperidone and sued 80 billion ….

# 31

User 573XXX
February 27, 2020

And then now I have to fight with prostate cancer ….

# 32

No, the discussion takes a useless and not very constructive turn.
Meanwhile, I did not understand if he started it or associated it after the antiviral.
Then I do not understand that the controversy with the drug risperidone has to do with it if the effect derives from an interaction. So why don’t you argue with antiviral, I mean
You have no knowledge of the psychiatric problem. Now because a drug tolerates it badly, instead of worrying about finding an alternative, he pretends that nothing else exists and takes advantage of it to send all psychiatry to hell.
Bad choice for her. It’s not that doctors will lose out. It is you who must have her health at heart.
“No Thanks, I pass” … switch to the disease, which will continue to take care of his brain undisturbed.

# 33

User 582XXX
March 12, 2020

Hi doctor, allow me a question, do you think that for some of the categories of “incel” indicated by you may be useful, or even necessary, pharmacological treatments

# 34

Surely. Some typologies risk “welcoming” into marginalized normality cases that instead correspond to already known phobic-social syndromes, or dysthymic syndromes, for example.

# 35

User 124XXX
March 13, 2020

@User 582169
some users of those groups, especially the younger ones, are under drug therapies and followed by a specialist, but it’s not the pill that doesn’t make you “incel” anymore.
I mean …. it is not by bombing yourself with paroxetine that you get out of incelness and become loved and appreciated by women. That is linked to our value as a man, that is to our aesthetic level and our socio-economic status.
In fact, many users, including that there is no solution to their problem, live their life quietly. They have a job, some good friends, a more or less all-encompassing hobby so as not to think about the chronic shortage of women … in short, they lead an apparently normal life, they are people who are apparently integrated in society, but they continue to carry into an emotional chasm that no one I consult from 50 an hour, it pill in blister packs, it will never be able to fill. And not even the consoling pat on the back, in the style of “Smile, sooner or later you too will find a good girl who will love you”
. You enter a new phase, which is that of awareness and acceptance.

# 36

Huh no.
The expression “bombing with paroxetine” just makes you cry. Not that they are bombing drugs, even if one wanted to. And then it is really wrong as an argument. An internal reasoning. By those who do not see the problem for what it is and believe they see it objectively. If and for this reason even a depressed person or a hallucinator would say that taking a pill is useless, so much so what they see is true and there is no hope. But no, the pill, as it is called in a derogatory way, often works in an unpredictable way.
No, women don’t jump on you because they don’t usually do it in general.
Incel as a stage of conviction of a situation of suffering and a non-solution. Most men are not involuntarily sexually isolated, always satisfied with it, but they have relationships.
Also, not all incels seem to have anxiety problems. Some are psychotic, like Santa Barbara’s most likely. One who aesthetically could also look like a model, a cute, smart guy. But then there was something, which he was convinced was a plot of indifference towards him.
So, nobody bombs anything to change reality. People change theirs because they move when placed in different conditions from within. And a certain drug that can be the way to do it. Not for everyone, there are no drugs for incel, of course, but because incel is a misunderstanding. It’s not the diagnosis.

# 37

User 124XXX
March 14, 2020

Well then say clearly that no drug, nor psychotherapy, can solve the “incelness” problem.
Incelness that is not a contagious disease that afflicts bizarre subjects who must be marginalized and put into biocontainment as if they were plague, but simply the condition of poor palatability on the part of women. Condition that unites many men, who are incel without knowing it. It is not having an account on the forumdeibrutti or on reddit that makes you incel. And so are those who have never set foot on those sites.
The only thing that can be cured with pills and psychotherapy is depression, which is one of the symptoms of incelness, but not incelness itself. If there was a drug that makes hair and chin grow, that makes 5 million euros appear in the bank and a Ferrari in the garage, everyone would take it very willingly, but unfortunately this is not the case.
Thick hair and a developed jaw are a hereditary genetic condition, and a very high socioeconomic status and also hereditary or the child of an unexpected and unlikely stroke of luck.
Then about the fact that the pill “works” I would have many doubts, since all the people I know who are on psychiatric drugs complain of considerable problems. I see people mentally clouded, some go out of their minds, others after years of suspension they have big problems with concentration, memory, they look lost in space, you tell them something and after 3 minutes they have totally removed it. As if “the pills” had burned a part of their neurons. Told not just by me, but by everyone else who has been in close contact with them for years.
Some are psychotic, true, but some are. You are talking about 1 specific case out of a total of millions and millions of people. There are also employees in the public administration, graduates in physics, university researchers, engineers who work in the company, who despite being mentally very healthy, go to incel-themed sites to talk about the difficulties they encounter daily with women. Confirming the fact that being incel is not a psychiatric condition that needs to be treated, but simply being at the bottom of the ladder of female desires. And for this, first of all I’m sorry to say, there is no cure.

# 38

User 124XXX
March 14, 2020

“No, women don’t jump on you because they don’t usually do it in general.”
They don’t usually do it with people they don’t consider desirable. When they enter the sphere of influence of an alpha male, of a man they find very attractive and desirable, they totally change their attitude and humble themselves in ways that they cannot even imagine.
“Incel as a stage of conviction of a painful situation and a non-solution. Most men are not involuntarily sexually isolated, always satisfied with it, but they have relationships.”
Most,
in fact … that is, those who have an average appearance, without particular defects, and manage to have a sentimental and sexual life that is all in all acceptable. To which are added those with well above average appearance, who get women at the snap of their fingers.
What is not clear to you about the concept of “men who do not meet female standards, and for this are deprived of a sexual and emotional life”
That’s the whole problem. You, like so many others in the media world, paint these people as crazy to heal. You want them to appear as people who deliberately choose their condition, rather than admitting that they suffer from it.
Articles like this one that claim to explain the incel phenomenon starting from those two videos, one set up by state TV that certainly does not care about the explanation of these issues, the other of a single isolated case that took place in the USA, are really difficult to judge because at the limit between bad faith and non-understanding of the phenomenon.

# 39

Alpha is just one of the ways of making female conquests. Not the only one, in the mists of time. These “alpha male” concepts taken as dogmas only provide justifications for a position of suffering that easily turns into anger, hatred, or resignation. It becomes a religion, that of “the world forces me to celibacy”.
There is a “beta” way in any case, besides the fact that some can become “alpha” if they correct some dysfunctional connotations. This then depends on their underlying temperament, structurally.
The pack is made up of alpha, beta, and other locations.
The purpose of a doctrine that explains your failure is “right” should be to make it less painful. And whoever tries to refute this is taken as the one who with the mockery that there is a solution leads you again to confront yourself with the root of your pain.
There is a lack of technical knowledge of how the brain works, and above all of how it tends to move towards solutions that avoid stress. Avoidance behaviors are certainly preferable to continuous stress, but they do not solve the underlying question. It is not good for this to know if it is right, if it can make sense etc. It is good to know if there are means to improve it.
When a person “x” who calls himself incel comes to argue that a priori does not consider a solution, but prefers theory as an illustration, then we are in a stage of loss of awareness of the problem. From there they also begin the mystifications on the fact that it is a phenomenon that does not concern psychiatry etc.

# 40

User 402XXX
20 March 2020

Good morning doctor I am 5 years ke I take after a depression, eutimil and Xanax, to date I have come from two 20 mg tablets to take half always associated with Xanax, now with this situation ke is occurring I want to increase at a dose always with xanax, I can

# 41

It is not relevant and above all the site is not a space for advice on how to take medicine.

# 42

User 402XXX
March 20, 2020

Ok excuse me since I kied ANKE the others are allowed, sorry.

# 43

And they get the same answer, so if that was the purpose … kindly write (for everyone) in Italian

# 44

User 124XXX
21 March 2020

“There is a lack of technical knowledge of how the brain works, and above all of how it tends to move towards solutions that avoid stress. Avoidance behaviors are certainly preferable to continuous stress, but they do not solve the basic question. this knowing if it is right, if it can make sense etc. It is useful to know if there are means to improve it. ”
and then in your opinion how the basic question is resolved
Which is the right strategy to adopt
Why do you point the finger at the “descriptive” and “theoretical” attitude, but in her article I don’t read about solutions or possible ways out. She too has limited herself to a descriptive approach to the phenomenon.
At the bottom of the article he briefly talks about fighting avoidant or hostile attitudes, but those are the consequence of incelness, not the cause.
Be amazed at the misogyny of the incels and astonished at why Jews hate fascists and Nazis. She would not hate a category of people who demean her, belittle her, laugh at her, discriminate against her, make her feel
wrong.Getting out of incelness means finding a way to be loved and appreciated by women, at which point the misogyny and avoidant attitudes will naturally disappear. .
So, I repeat the question, you know a way for any man to be loved and appreciated by women
Any man, because insecure cuties are easy to deal with, just let him find some self-confidence and give him the coordinates within which to move. I mean everyone, including those who received a bunch of artichokes as a gift to play the game of life … I mean all men, tall or short, bald or long-haired, handsome or ugly, there is a way

# 45

In truth the problem of who does not find a partner and who is ignored, or not chosen if he competes according to the rules of the mass (and in this case he will also feel mocked perhaps) or simply is not exposing himself and waiting for a movement towards himself. Of course, it would be normal to have negative feelings towards those who laugh at you etc, but the phenomenon is not this, it is an alibi. The complaint of being, unwillingly, without a partner (or without sex) is about not having opportunities. The interpretation that this comes from a plot hatched by others, or from a fatal mechanism that crushes you because, however, the plot to not let you out has all the air of being a delusion (see the case of Santa Barbara) or an error setting, resulting from various points of view (from phobic to narcissistic).

The bush is beating around the bush.
No one has ever said that it is a plot hatched by others. It has simply been said that men and women are different, have different possibilities of choice and different standards, which gives rise to a disparity. Women who have thousands of very beautiful potential partners to choose from with extreme comfort, and many men who do not meet these high standards who are left out of the game.
It is very simple to understand. The vision of him is strongly distorted by a service aired on state TV, which certainly has no heart in talking about certain issues, and of a case, ONE, isolated, when there are millions of incels around the planet. .
It is convenient for her to cling to an American half-shot and an ad hoc orchestrated service to make respondents appear more disadvantaged than they actually were, rather than admitting that there is a broad social problem that affects a great many men. Very normal men, often unsuspected, with enormous difficulties in establishing a healthy relationship, due to the very high demands of their peers. Young and old.
It is convenient for her to continue this narrative of the crazy incel to be tied up and totally out of this world, when the incel in reality is her work colleague, the gas station attendant, the boy who delivers her groceries at home, her neighbor who he hasn’t had a woman since the days when there was the lira.
But the question was another.
There is a way out
If so what
In other words, if I come for his expensive psychotherapy, I can become loved by many women, or not.

Because if he tells me he has a way to improve the condition and become desirable, I am coming today. Otherwise, this too is a purely descriptive exercise. A flood of chatter about a problem that he does not understand (or pretends not to understand) and for which he has no solution.

# 47

Already how he lays it and distorted. The result of a cure of a problem (therefore assuming that one has a handicap of this type) should lead on average to be loved “by many women”. In other words, a claim to satisfaction, not absurd, but which shows how everything is shifted to the outside. On the idea of ​​being dominated from the outside rather than having one’s own cards,
What she believes is “beating around the bush” and what she has decided to exclude from consideration of the problem. Which, posed as a problem in its own right, does not exist. The theory explains that males depend on women and not each other… I go back to saying… nice discovery. Both on a purely sexual and sentimental level there is a non-symmetry.
She says she doesn’t see a solution, and she provocatively asks what it might be. But he cannot ask himself this from an incel perspective. It would be as if an addict wonders what is the way to detoxify once and for all. There isn’t, because that’s not the point of view. Having so many women, a “convinced” incel would seriously risk losing them, and would become not a theory of involuntary celibacy,

# 48

User 124XXX
21 March 2020

Yes, I ask provocatively because if I describe a problem and stigmatize it by making it clear that it is wrong, I must also propose a solution.
If she doesn’t have it …
The discussion ends here for me. Useless article as psychotherapy applied to love relationships is useless.
“My dear patient, you are rejected by women because you are as ugly as death and poor. I have no way of helping you. Go home and get over it.”
End of psychotherapy.
Incidentally, years ago I went to a psychologist who filled my head with chatter for months. Chat about being safe, about expressing my feelings better, about resolving my inner conflicts, about improving the relationship with my parents.
After some time I learned that the girl I loved at that time didn’t want me because she was “not attracted enough aesthetically”.
And other girls also said the same of me in clear words: “I was not attracted, aesthetically I did not like, etc …”.
That’s the whole point of the situation, distinguished doctor.
We are not loved because we are ugly, not because we are insecure or crazy to bind.
Psychotherapy is only useful for those who do it, to replenish their wallet, and the pills of happiness to the pharmaceutical companies that make us the billions.

# 49

Oh no, the wrongly posed problem has no solution as such, but the question does.
The phobia, for example, what solution does
The cure have? Which is not a solution, the assumptions change. Otherwise I begin to hate the world because it scares me, and I don’t get out of it. This is to give an example.

# 50

User 124XXX
21 March 2020

The problem is semantic, or the definition of incel, which for her is a phobic person with psychiatric pathologies to be treated …. as if they had suddenly rained down from heaven, and not the result of the rawness that suffered in life.
In reality, an incel is simply a person with enormous difficulties with women and who is promptly discarded. An involuntary celibate indeed.
Phobia, misogyny, depression, low self-confidence are consequences of all this.
Like neuralgia and the consequence of a toothache.
It is a stable cause-and-effect relationship. It doesn’t take long to figure it out.
Treating an incel phobia or depression, is like trying to treat a toothache with aspirin. Toothache is treated by extracting the tooth.
In the case of an unattractive person, caring and improving oneself to have more LMS, if there is room for improvement, or if there is not, accept the situation and give up on women. Go your own way, as MGTOW would say.
Dedicate yourself to work, home, friendships, hobbies, and avoid continuing to humble yourself in front of women to get something that you are regularly denied. Putting a gravestone on your love life (which in any case never started even when you hit the carpet with everyone) and limit yourself to experiencing sexuality in other ways (prostitutes, masturbation).
Treating the phobias and depression of an incel, without going to the root of the problem, without making him understand WHY he is constantly rejected, leads him to feel even more wrong than he really is.
Since I accepted the redpill I feel calmer, more focused on myself, much more than when I was stuffed with lies about self-confidence, never giving up, being myself. I figured out what the problem is and accepted it.
If I had continued to turn between psychologists and psychiatrists, in addition to being incel as I am now, I would have burned my brain from psychiatric drugs.

# 51

User 551XXX
March 22, 2020

– “Dedicate yourself to work, home, friendships, hobbies, and avoid continuing to humble yourself in front of women to get something that you are regularly denied. Putting a tombstone on your love life (which in any case never started even when you tried to carpet all) and limit yourself to experiencing sexuality in other ways (prostitutes, masturbation). ”
dear friend,
think that in this forced quarantine we are all in the same boat,
survive those who have been used to this condition for some time,
I see much more discomfort in those who cannot see the girlfriend, boyfriend or special friend 🙂
see the cases of life where they lead …

# 52

user 525XXX
March 26, 2020

hi doctor, I answer after a few months to my first comment.
When I used the term “dissidents”, I was referring to the dissent from the feminist narrative.
Now, I don’t know she has ever dealt with the male question, anti-feminism, etc, but the so-called incel, in all their variety, are nothing more than an expression of the androsphere.
If you’ve never read anything by Warren Farrell, Jordan Peterson, Jose Gasco Altaba, Rino Dalla Vecchia, it’s useless for us to talk about this or that, because in all probability we are concerned with completely different questions.

# 53

User 525XXX
March 26, 2020

“Yes, I ask provocatively because if I describe a problem and stigmatize it by making it clear that it is wrong, I must also propose a solution.
If you don’t have it …
The discussion ends here for me. Useless article like psychotherapy is useless applied to love affairs.
“My dear patient, you are rejected by women because you are as ugly as death and poor. I have no way to help her. Come home and get over it. ”
End of psychotherapy.
Incidentally, years ago I went to a psychologist who filled my head with chatter for months. Chat about being safe, about expressing my feelings better, about resolving my inner conflicts, about improving the relationship with my parents.
After some time I learned that the girl I loved at that time didn’t want me because she was “not attracted enough aesthetically”.
And other girls also said the same of me in clear words: “I was not attracted, aesthetically I did not like, etc …”.
That’s the whole point of the situation, distinguished doctor.
We are not loved because we are ugly, not because we are insecure or crazy to bind.
Psychotherapy is only useful for those who do it, to replenish their wallet, and the pills of happiness to the pharmaceutical companies that make us the billions ”
I share word for word: I have friends who have spent more than 20 years in therapy, 20 years. They would have bought two apartments with that money, not to mention the devastating effects of drugs.
Then they decided, nose plastic, hair transplant, first experiences with girls in Southeast Asian countries, then returned to Italy first experiences with Italians and finally began to have a sexual and emotional life, then give up the drugs, start to work seriously, etc.
If it had been for psychologists and psychiatrists (who led them to attempt suicide), I don’t know what happened to them.
They didn’t fuck because they were ugly.

# 54

I fully agree with you on one fact: sexual satisfaction is an important factor in mental health, so it is often a game changer when it comes to unlocking your sex life. But if he didn’t take the writer for granted, he might know that I also gave a lecture on the question of sexual habilitation or rehabilitation abroad, a bit more felt as a problem.
Immersing yourself in the incel theory helps to fuck, to join its final synthesis
When you are aware that you are part of the androsphere, women arrive
Having said that, in the comparison with feminism, yes, there are the same defects that range from awareness to hatred for the role of the other. From the knowledge and defense of one’s own needs and one’s way to pleasure, to the claim that the other does not exist as he is. It is the same dead end, except that in the case of the woman it is not referring to sexual activity, of course. That is not the center of the problem, even if it is the center of the provocation.

# 55

So if she likes to argue, fine. Otherwise when we have read all the books that you indicate to me and you all those that I indicate, we find ourselves.
Personally, when I encounter words like “give up the drugs” I immediately turn up my nose. So I will put here cases of people who have begun to have a social life, all inclusive, by taking care of themselves.
Such a speech is useless, because psychiatrically there are different things within this phenomenon. But it’s not a theory that goes further, that’s all. Indeed, some in my opinion interpret it as proof of a conspiracy (other than those who insist on supporting it) and some simply experience it as the inevitability of a condition. Which is not. I’m glad you think the same about this. Celibacy can be broken. Moreover, I assure you that many people are depressed, introduce themselves and convince the interlocutor that they are unable to find partners even with binoculars. As soon as they wake up, they often find one without anyone having to intervene.

# 56

Then about the “ugly”. it is not a constant of the incel. If you ever get the thought “I don’t have sex, so I’m ugly; if I’m ugly, that’s why I don’t”. Dangerous self-agreement, because in depression it becomes true, in the doc it becomes a powerful brake, in social phobia it becomes a painful suspicion etc.
Then you were talking about ad hoc sexual experiences with travel etc, but here we are talking about relationships, which is an even different step. Agree that sex unlocks, but that’s not exactly what incel means, which refers to being wanted sexually and sentimentally by another person.

# 57

User 124XXX
March 26, 2020

“dear friend,
think that in this forced quarantine we are all in the same boat,
survives those who have been used to this condition for some time,
I see much more discomfort in those who cannot see their girlfriend, boyfriend or special friend 🙂
see the cases of life where they lead … ”
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking since this forced quarantine has begun. Women, beautiful women and normies are literally going crazy because they are forced into their homes. ), of not being able to go to the gym to make new meetings, is driving them out of their minds, but for a bad all this has never existed.
An ugly one has been quarantined by decree of nature, not by ministerial decree.
As far as I’m concerned, nothing has changed, except that I work from home instead of physically going to work every day. For the rest, everything is identical to before.
Lemonades in the disco
And who are
strangers hooked to the park who wink at you and leave you the phone number
But when ever
Aperitif where you meet 2 new very interesting girls
And
who
has ever had them … Crazy nights on the beach in August hooked up to the gym and the next day you find yourself naked in your bed
And who has ever seen
this pandemic This pandemic is giving women a taste of what is the life of a good part of men, even if not necessarily ugly.
Before, they lived a perennial party between social life, cocktails, new encounters, easy trailers on Instagram and Tinder, sexual encounters with more handsome men than them.
Now that everything is on standby, they are experiencing the pain of forced loneliness on their skin. They understand what it feels like to spend your life without the possibility of having human contacts, loves, attention.
Obviously, once the pandemic is over, everything will be as before. Easy sex, love at first sight, travels and dinners together with the handsome man on duty who love for his “” “personality” “” and who is not even able to put together a meaningful sentence, while we ugly ones will look back all this at the edge of the ring.
While staying at home they are all hyperactive, including fitness, new recipes, social contacts to the sound of stories and hashtags, because we know that it is a temporary situation and once back to normal the carousel of peas and “loves” will resume at first sight, while for us ugly it won’t take anything back. It will be the usual life made up of work, effort, sweat, loneliness, tears and seed on the shirt.
Nothing new.

# 58

User 124XXX
March 26, 2020

“I share word for word: I have friends who have spent over 20 years in therapy, 20 years. They would have bought two apartments with that money, not to mention the devastating effects of the drugs.
Then they decided, nose plastic, hair transplant, first experiences with girls in Southeast Asian countries, then returned to Italy first experiences with Italians and finally began to have a sexual and emotional life, then give up the drugs, start to work seriously, etc.
If it had been for psychologists and psychiatrists (who led them to attempt suicide), I don’t know what happened to them.
They didn’t fuck because they were ugly. ”
But the purpose of any word salesman, whether he is a psychologist or PUA little changes, is not to make you happy, lift you up and start getting you to live an emotional and sexual life.
Their ultimate goal is to keep you connected . more possible to them, so as to become an inexhaustible gold mine.
The former bombard you with psychotropic drugs that cause you immense damage and useless chats in their study where they go hunting for unlikely phobias, adolescent traumas, problematic relationships with their parents. As if women were aware of what happened to you at 5, as if you kept it written on your forehead …
The seconds of metaphors and very long posts / videos where you never know what they mean. They talk they talk for hours and hours without ever getting to the point. They stuff your head with words without ever letting you know what they mean.
Small post for the doctor.
In these days of forced confinement, episodes of domestic violence are multiplying. Just yesterday I heard a man who hammered his partner in Padua. Not to mention the usual femicides of husbands and boyfriends against the wives / companions / cohabitants of which the chronicles are full.
Now, I don’t know if there is more to worry about AN incel who killed 5-6 people in Santa Barbara, or the hundreds of husbands, boyfriends, companions, who every day beat and kill the woman they say they love …
The real danger is not in the “abnormal”, in the excluded, but in those who profess to be perfectly integrated into society with a lot of faith on their finger to testify to it.

# 59

User 551XXX
March 26, 2020

“This pandemic is giving women a taste of what is the life of a good part of men, even if not necessarily ugly.
Previously they lived a perennial party between social life, cocktails, new dating, easy trailers on Instagram and Tinder, sexual encounters. with men more beautiful than them.
Now that everything is on standby, they are experiencing the pain of forced loneliness on their skin. They understand what it feels like to spend your life without the possibility of having human contacts, love, attention. ”
that’s right,
but woe to define them little inclined to sacrifice without whining,
this criticism and prerogative of the white male between 18 and 60 years.

# 60

User 525XXX
March 26, 2020

“I fully agree with you on one fact: sexual satisfaction is an important factor in mental health, so it is often a turning point when you are able to unlock your sex life. But if you didn’t take the writer for granted, they would know maybe that I also gave a lecture, on the question of sexual habilitation or rehabilitation, abroad a little more felt as a problem. Immersing yourself in the
incel
theory helps to fuck, to join its final synthesis ‘androsphere, women arrive
Having said that, in the comparison with feminism, yes, there are the same defects that range from awareness to hatred for the role of the other. From the knowledge and defense of one’s own needs and one’s way to pleasure, to the claim that the other does not exist as he is. It is the same dead end, except that in the case of the woman it is not referring to sexual activity, of course. That is not the center of the problem, even if it is the center of the provocation. ”
He sees that we do not understand each other
. I say this with respect.
Where it is written that the incel forums are for fucking
But who ever said that
I have managed at least two of them , and I currently run one as well.
Never created a forum like this to “help people fuck”.
On the genesis of these forums, there would be a lot of writing, but no one ever said they are for this and if you think that a forum is for helping people to fuck or what it is, it’s your problem.
For me the forum has many functions, from venting, to exchanging ideas, etc.
But consider that I have created a first network of connection between the various movements (I tried at least) of the androsphere (and there are many and with people much more authoritative than me, from qm to beta men to stalker it will be you, plus many others, including associations registered in the tribuanle): I carried out an interview with Marco Crepaldi, the president of the Italian hikikomori associations, a social psychologist who has helped and is helping thousands of children, who is at the MIUR table, works with schools and through the confrontation we had and passed from a position of skepticism to a gradual awareness of the male question, thus making films about it, etc.
She doesn’t like
it. I can’t help it.
He is sure he knows these issues
I am available to indicate authors and texts.
He is convinced that the only acceptable goal for a forum is to get the individual to fuck.
It’s a personal opinion of him.
Excuse the toughness.

# 61

Perfect, about some things we understand each other. On others we disagree. No, I am convinced that that is not the purpose, realistically first of all, but not even that of doing some “category” action. Since the category is at least heterogeneous on the mental level.
Ok. Forum for venting and exchange of ideas, as well as perhaps in some cases little attention to the psychiatric nature of those who feed us dysfunctional thoughts. Righteous, sacrosanct, and also theorisable in a solid and systematic way, but dysfunctional.
This is simply the psychiatric analysis of a phenomenon as it presents itself. Now, simplified it is not and, indeed. But I repeat one thing, which you will probably disagree with. A “theory” to adhere to in an ideological sense is not useful for ameliorating a psychiatric disorder. An ideological theory can mask it. Part of these situations reside in syndromes that are treatable, without having to “get over it”, neither passively nor actively.
I would start from a common ground, namely that the aspect of sexuality in disadvantaged people at the outset is underestimated. Rehabilitation is based on work, which I find something aberrant if not for the economic income it can give (and it does not give it, because it is low-income jobs).
As for the situation of those who, without mental handicap, have difficulty in having a sexual and sentimental life for objective reasons, the question moves to the social level, and it can be speculated that a social system of a certain type can be beneficial.
A psychiatric and solution-oriented description. Then the problem of the solution arises. No one has said that there is a solution for all types of entities that fall into the category.
However, no one can say that certain subjects who consider themselves doomed to failure (also on the basis of physical characteristics) do not benefit from psychiatric treatments on their depressive, psychotic, phobic syndromes etc.

# 62

If the essence is to argue misogyny, it is not that it offers solutions, and then it is better to do it in a personal capacity or without too much theoretical effort. Because with a theory it becomes somewhat embarrassing.

# 63

User 551XXX
March 27, 2020

“If the gut is to argue misogyny,”
as feminists argue with theories see “prostitution is not work, it’s patriarchal violence.” misiadry,
certainly are not defined as depressed, psychotic or phobic.

# 64

You read with little attention. That’s what I said, that misogyny has a whole “conversation” dimension, and you don’t need a theory. As for misandry, it is often a worse result of a vindicating vision of femininity. But everything also derives from cultural equilibrium, for which those who are strong, tread the hand.
So I conclude that he understood little of what I wrote. He has understood that an idea is pathologized. The opposite. I wrote exactly the opposite, you may not have noticed, not between the lines. on the lines!
I said that this idea, not at all absurd or strange to me, however, collects the consent or the adhesion of a series of subjects who, when they express their position, do not seem anything other than “types”
However, he is mistaken that hatred of men has not been pathologized in some theories, it has been. However, here the data complained of is not being opposed, if ever ignored. For this reason, the explanation is often puzzling. Especially when imagining a solution in which someone should be induced to do something to compensate for the “persecution” of gender. But it is equally a stretch. It doesn’t change much in terms of the general sense of the relationship between genders.

# 65

User 525XXX
March 27, 2020

Perfect, we understand some things about it. On others we disagree. No, I am convinced that that is not the purpose, realistically first of all, but not even that of doing some “category” action.
So we renounce to carry out a social battle for the fact that people with a personality disorder or other can approach
it.We renounce proposing measures to combat unemployment, in a system that is assessed full of gaps, since the movement or in general to whom if you take care of it,
troublemakers or people with little desire to work may approach
. Ok. Forum for venting and exchange of ideas, as well as perhaps in some cases little attention to the psychiatric nature of those who feed us dysfunctional thoughts. Righteous, sacrosanct, and also theorisable in a solid and systematic way, but dysfunctional.
See above. It seems to me an observation, in its vagueness, unnecessarily polemical and pretext. And if you don’t like how the forum is managed, come there and talk to us (
https://ilforumdegliincel.forumfree.it/
t = 76938288). Senno, and hot air.
This is simply the psychiatric analysis of a phenomenon as it presents itself. Now, simplified it is not and, indeed. But I repeat one thing, which you will probably disagree with. A “theory” to adhere to in an ideological sense is not useful for ameliorating a psychiatric disorder. An ideological theory can mask it. Part of these situations reside in syndromes that are treatable, without having to “get over it”, neither passively nor actively.
I agree that a theory can become a pretext for a seriously ill person to somehow worsen his obsession. The point is to evaluate the correctness of the theory, the validity of the social battle. Nobody would dream of saying that we must stop talking about public debt, the fight against tax evasion, this and that, because some madman can understand things in his own way and bla bla bla.
I repeat, come to our forums and confront us on the merits of what we say. I have a degree in law and have taken several state exams, but I don’t know everything. At the same time you may have a degree in medicine, but you don’t know everything: if you have never dealt with the male question then, have the humility to recognize it and come to our forums or faceboob groups (Mra, support group, on the forum that I indicated above, on Questione Maschile or on uominibeta.org).
As for the situation of those who, without mental handicap, have difficulty in having a sexual and sentimental life for objective reasons, the question moves to the social level, and it can be speculated that a social system of a certain type can be beneficial.
Let’s go back to what is written above. If for you all the issues of qm are mere speculation, well, you should first prove it.
A psychiatric and solution-oriented description. Then the problem of the solution arises. No one has said that there is a solution for all types of entities that fall into the category.
However, no one can say that certain subjects who consider themselves doomed to failure (also on the basis of physical characteristics) do not benefit from psychiatric treatments on their depressive, psychotic, phobic syndromes,
etc. ‘and a social problem.
The clash we have with psychologists often takes place on this level: we say that there are social dynamics to change and they, instead of responding to the merits, throw it all on the individual discourse.
It is as if a prisoner of a concentration camp complains about what the Nazis do to the Jews, and the psychologist replies: but leave the Nazis alone, let’s not talk about the Nazis, think about being okay, etc.
For those who believe that Nazism is not acceptable, the (main) problem is obviously fighting Nazism, not teaching the individual to survive in the prison camp.
Brutal example, but and to understand.
I repeat, if you think that we of the qm are wrong, come to our spaces and show us on the merits and on the individual points.
I did not mention those authors for a display of erudition or inspection dixit, but precisely because the subject is complex and above all banned from the media.

# 66

User 551XXX
March 28, 2020

“As for misandry, and in fact often a worse result of a vindicating vision of femininity.”
“But everything also derives from cultural balances, so those who are strong tread the hand.”
therefore women’s movements are justified and some of their components are not subject to psychiatric typing,
although with regard to the claim of femininity it seems to me that we are no longer in the time of the suffragettes and that it does not seem to me that they are subject to particular restrictions.

# 67

User 551XXX
March 29, 2020

I could not post this:
Annarosa Buttarelli: Coronavirus fruit of virile forms of government, powerless and inadequate
In these days, the impotence of the powerful and the inadequacy of the culture of male origin is manifested once again. Not only to foresee the catastrophic consequences of one’s behavior but also to interact with the complexity in which we have always been immersed. The violent and suicidal general style of the virile forms of government today is naked again.
here other than Incel,
we are beyond paranoia …
we are at the “portaseccismo,
that is to say wishing evil in order to have one’s theory satisfied and saying” I told you so ”
only that on TV it is not possible to criticize and create a service on the movement this attitude because the lady, being a woman, has a sort of “bonus” credibility to exploit.

# 68

User 124XXX
March 31, 2020

@Uuser 525301
“The clash we have with psychologists often happens on this level: we say that there are social dynamics to change and they, instead of responding to the merits, throw it all on the individual discourse.
And ‘as if a prisoner of a concentration camp complained about what the Nazis do to the Jews, and the psychologist replies: but leave the Nazis alone, let’s not talk about the Nazis, think about being okay, etc.
For those who believe that Nazism is not acceptable, the (main) problem is obviously fighting Nazism, not teaching the individual to survive in the prison camp.
Brutal example, but and to understand.
I repeat, if you think that we of the qm are wrong, come to our spaces and show us on the merits and on the individual points.
I did not mention those authors for a display of erudition or inspection dixit, but precisely because the topic is complex and above all banned from the media. ”
What you are talking about is not new.
The primary objective of psychology is not to raise awareness to the individual to live in a wrong, sick, hyper-competitive and self-destructing society.
The primary objective of psychology has always been to create individuals who are functional to society. Little robots who do their homework while keeping quiet and good.
It is no coincidence that the doctor throws her on a series of individual ailments to be treated (dysmorphophobia, paranoia, various psychosis) with drugs, rather than openly acknowledging the profound changes within society that put an ever larger slice of the male population in the impossibility of having a relationship, short or lasting. That if once it was enough to be in the normal range to have a decent emotional and sexual life as young people and find a good partner as adults, today this is no longer enough because the woman of 2020 expects the top in man, and anyone who is not part of the top and considered a cockroach. An insignificant insect, or at best a friend.
And when it comes to the decline in births, marriages at an all-time low, divorces, the abuse of porn, video games, the eternal immaturity of men or other pretexts, is brought up, rather than making a very simple and banal connection that even my 7 year old cousin could do it.
Some time ago I read an article by an English psychologist who claimed that today young people have less sex than they used to because they prefer videogames … sure, a 20-year-old boy, physically healthy and with a thousand hormones, prefers to stay locked in the room sitting in front of a monitor rather than running after his peers … does not make an eyelid!

# 69

Former user
March 31, 2020

What if the poles of the magnet are reversed
Plato would say “the body and the grave of the soul”.
In this society the woman has become hyper selective and hyper narcissistic because of the constant and spasmodic use of cosmetic surgery and if the solution were absurdly in the hands of the “beautiful”

If all heartthrob, wasteful woman, Don Giovanni, Dorian Gray of the situation, stopped picking up all the “inflatable dolls” and began to show their indifference towards all these “handsome” women giving importance to something else, I simply quote sympathy, kindness, education etc etc maybe the sexual balance could be reestablished and the gear of the huge system could start to rust, what do you think

Sorry for the intrusion.
Have a good time .

March 31, 2020

“It is no coincidence that the doctor throws her on a series of individual ailments to be treated (dysmorphophobia, paranoia, various psychoses) with drugs, rather than openly acknowledging the profound changes within society that put an increasingly large slice of the male population in the impossibility of having a relationship, short or lasting. That if once it was enough to be in the normal range to have a decent emotional and sexual life as young people and find a good partner as adults, today this is no longer enough. because the woman of 2020 demands the top in man, and anyone who is not part of the top is considered a cockroach. An insignificant insect, or at best a friend. ”
exact,
but this is only a justification to alleviate the sense of guilt towards women who (raw but fitting example) like eugenics select the best genes for the “continuation of the race”,
in fact in Hitler I see a repressed homosexual.
so incels and misogyny act as a bit of a lightning rod to all of this.

# 71

User 525XXX
March 31, 2020

“correct,
but this is only a justification to alleviate the sense of guilt towards women who (raw but fitting example) like eugenics select the best genes for the” continuation of the race “,
in indeed, in Hitler I see a repressed homosexual
, so incels and misogyny act as a bit of a lightning rod to all of this.
The incels are not misogynistic, also because the acts of violence against women are almost entirely carried out by men whom the women know, companions or former companions, certainly not celibates.
On the first sentence, that term with the comparison with Hitler, a series of statements thrown at random, such as: “Einstein is a genius, but how many deaths in Hiroshima; of course, who knows what happened to Majorana and even a sling can do bad”.

# 72

Former user
07 April 2020

How many pairs of rabbits are obtained in a year from a single starting pair, assuming that every month, except for the first one, it produces a new pair which, in turn, proliferates starting from the second month
The answer is 144 pairs of rabbits. the result is the sum of the two previous numbers: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 thus going on indefinitely.
The collective mind may not be able to remember what the IDEA (understood Platonically) of beauty really is, being at the moment tossed about by an infinite transitory of SHADOW (always platonically) of perception of the other.
Good day.

# 73

It seems to me that the writer understood very little of what I wrote in the post. I give up because my arms fall off reading things “the doctor throws her on a series of ailments etc etc” …
So I could say that there are those who throw it on a series of inherently inconsistent reasoning about well-being and the meaning that a certain vision should provide.
However, if one finds a vision that pleases him and that makes him feel good, so be it. It seems to me, I repeat, a way of stamping one’s feet on the ground on the fact that things are unfair. This can be said by anyone against anyone. Not solving problems, and getting angry because the enemy does not give up on his own.

# 74

User 525XXX
07 April 2020

author] Dr. Matteo Pacini on 07.04.2020
It seems to me that the writer understood very little of what I wrote in the post. I give up because my arms fall off reading things “the doctor throws her on a series of ailments etc etc” …
So I could say that there are those who throw it on a series of inherently inconsistent reasoning about well-being and the meaning that a certain vision should provide.
However, if one finds a vision that pleases him and that makes him feel good, so be it. It seems to me, I repeat, a way of stamping one’s feet on the ground on the fact that things are unfair. This can be said by anyone against anyone. Not solving problems, and getting angry because the enemy does not give up on his own. ”
A learned ‘, I replied quoting you word for word.
We do not get angry as the enemy does not give up on his own, as I have already told you in at least 5 or 6 messages that we are trying to carry out a cultural and social battle, also through associations that sit at the table of MIur.
After all, I mentioned some authors (to show that we are not crazy with ideas that have no theoretical or other basis), on which you have not even spent a word.
You don’t like the content of our struggle, you don’t share Farrell and Peterson’s ideas, whatever you want.
But at least have the courage to say this, but not that “we get angry because the enemy does not give up on his own”.
More than forming associations that we register in court, producing material
,
disseminating
ideas
and publications, making use of new technologies in this, which we should do
. other but forget it 🙂

You don’t like being defined as the DSM docet
, but you want to be recognized as an “association”

. Bah!

# 76

I repeat, understood little or nothing of what I wrote. Your “struggle” is unfortunately not very open to understanding itself. But above all it is not a fight, it is an outlet, placed as you put it.
For the rest, at this point you will laugh if you believe that I have the DSM as a Bible. She knows nothing about psychiatry, she hates it only because it suits her to hate it. Get to know her, which is most useful to you in any case.
In my opinion, his theory has nothing to do with what I wrote, just as it has nothing to do with perhaps any kind of problem or arrangement, even if it is an attempt to describe a discomfort. But it does not lead to a novelty, or to a better knowledge.
What should you do (I don’t know who is speaking) I don’t know, it’s up to him. Maybe bring more respect and understand more about what you are theorizing about. And how it translates into the minds of those who join, which minds come before theory. And they command.

# 77

Former user
April 13, 2020

True, I don’t know anything about psychiatry, but this does not mean that I like it through you, Doctor.
He has this ability, if you make up your mind;)
I’m trying to understand each other more too, and that’s why every now and then I “cast my hand” and I apologize if I should have disrespected you, it was not my intention., But I also sail on the basis of winds, no claim to bring news or improvements but only to understand who he is.

# 78

User 124XXX
April 24, 2020

What prevents us and the doctor from understanding us, is the usefulness of the role of him and psychiatry in relation to the incel phenomenon.
Psychotherapy can cure the effects of incelness, more or less latent depression, social anxiety (for those who have it), but not the causes. To combat the causes of incelness, psychotherapy is useless.
It only serves to make you (temporarily) find a bit of inner peace. Inner peace that will remain until the next refusal immediately, when you return to think about your lack of sexual appetite and the inability to establish a relationship with a woman.
A personal trainer, a surgeon, a financial consultant who explains how to make money, or anyone who can increase your LMS, can help you to get out of incelness much more than someone who tells you not to think about your problems, to be confident that sooner or later everything will resolve itself.
I see much more immobility in this fideistic vision of the future than in those who would like to make changes to society.

# 79

Former User
April 24, 2020

The reciprocal exchange of the resources of each one is missing, without losing one’s uniqueness.
The person is edified and perfected within a profoundly fruitful exchange for a common growth and maturation.
If all is dismissed with an
impersonal “LMS” acronym I believe your goal is still a long way off.

# 80

User 591XXX
April 25, 2020

“Your” struggle “is unfortunately not very open to understanding itself.”,
What is there to understand, doctor
, society presses man,
who must be and have certain types of characteristics (alpha ),
a single dominant model,
the women who complain so much of misogenicity, patriarchy and various and possible go with the alpha,
the alpha dominates the woman who underneath likes as well,
as being a sexually passive subject tends to have a certain enjoyment to be dominated,
enough see the physical preferences of the latter (tall, handsome, etc.)
but there is a catch,
the catch and that then these women complain not about alpha,
but about betas.
as they hinder their life in general and professional,
and see them as competitors
in practice, the red pill unmasks this hypocrisy and spreads through the internet trying to enlighten young minds not to be subjected to the predominance that one wants to make of the female gender,
genre that absolutely does not want parity,
but to override,
betas of course.

# 81

User 591XXX
April 25, 2020

# 82

Former user
April 25, 2020

Hi, have you ever heard the saying “we are like dwarves on the shoulders of giants, so that we can see more things and farther than them, however not for the sake of ‘sharpness of sight or the strength of the body, but because we sit higher and we rise thanks to the greatness of the giants ”
If this is not a manifestation of pride but of humility then nothing prevents us from dedicating ourselves to the rational research of the phenomenon.

# 83

User 591XXX
April 26, 2020

@User 589158 I
share your words,
but it must be said that in every group there are people who act in an inappropriate and coarse manner therefore psychiatric typing must not only be limited to the red pill or incel groups,
which are born like mushrooms also because sex and sexuality are talked about too much to then complain about the frustrated young people.

# 84

Former user
April 26, 2020

You are right, perhaps it will be because of the exasperated haste that today’s world requires not to allow those perceptions of truth, beauty, love that would bring serenity and peace to the heart to be deposited in the spirit.

# 85

User 591XXX
April 27, 2020

@ 589158,
but the education system where
a young person spends 13 years of his life in school,
It is possible that this educational system only acts as a dispenser of notions

# 86

Former user
April 27, 2020

Perhaps the educational system has deteriorated because human relationships have also deteriorated.
They should institute compulsory bon ton class;)

# 87

User 591XXX
April 27, 2020

“Perhaps the educational system has deteriorated because human relationships have also deteriorated.”
No,
simply because you are drawn from the third, second and first band rankings without going through public competitions,
you do a trawling where for a good one you fish 4 or 5 modest ones.
“They should institute compulsory bon ton class;)”
I agree,
there are no men and women of the past

# 88

Former user
April 27, 2020

They will fish them at random without taking into account the actual skills but at least a well-structured emotional intelligence should have it too, if not and it leads to the deterioration of human relationships.

# 89

User 591XXX
April 27, 2020

“we come to the deterioration of human relationships.”
human deterioration has already occurred in my opinion,
in fact the incel or red pillati who are (young boys and men) do not believe that by behaving well they can in the long run have results,
and the task of food dreams and hopes beyond a serious psychological work and also of society,
who tends to see you strange,
if within a certain age you do not love,
coincidentally only the male is strange.
however I expect an article in days where we write about the psychiatric typing of those who cannot see the boyfriend or girlfriend or the lover and invites the boycott of the new decree 🙂

# 90

Former user
April 27, 2020

You know, we have reached this point because foolishness (taken as a bible) fed by the various gurus (women and men who are) of blogs, various social networks that stand as holders of who knows what form of knowledge, perhaps hence my choice of not being present in anything but here .
I await the release of this new article 🙂

# 91

User 591XXX
April 27, 2020

“I await the release of this new article :)”
all right,
Palazzo Chigi after the protests specified that the relatives are also the
“stable boyfriends, stable affections in my opinion even the escorts are stable affections :),
I don’t know if we realize,
there are people who have never made love and who have a demeanor and a sense of public health and who for having been chaste for 2 months has sparked a popular revolt,
the article is from January but in the light of this news I would review a few things and change my mind on these virgins and focus on those who consider themselves normal on a psychic level and who on this occasion showed themselves if not worse than these alleged misogens called incel.

# 92

Former user
April 27, 2020

In fact, the quarantine has induced the development of other rather bizarre behaviors that will persist over time and then transform into more or less serious diseases if not treated in time.
I would compare normality to a tightrope walker, where everyone is able to walk on a rope with a pole, but what matters, to make a difference, when you find yourself at a dizzying height and the ability to balance.
🙂

# 93

User 591XXX
April 28, 2020

“I would compare normality to a tightrope walker, where everyone is able to walk on a rope with a pole, but what matters, to make a difference, when you find yourself at a height dizzying and the ability to balance. ”
I agree,
I must say that from “incel” compared to others I have developed antibodies as I am more trained in solitude 🙂
so I must say that this crisis upsets some paradigms where those who thought themselves were mentally balanced are now no longer so,
given and considered what to wait for the 18th May to see the boyfriend, the ‘lover or various partners and any and any is considered as very difficult thing 🙂 yells at the dictatorship even simply because you do not have sex for 2 months.

# 94

User 124XXX
April 28, 2020

About quarantine and the inability to sell the “” “engaged” “”.
Yesterday instagram removed my comment because, according to them, considered incitement to hatred. What had I said so shocking
That the quarantine is finally leading women to get a taste of what is the habitual life of many men. They are the most damaged because they are unable to go around the bars in search of men more handsome than them as they have practically always done, while the men (with the exception of the most genetically fortunate and rich), know very well the loneliness and the impossibility of receiving love and physical contact. Nothing new for us, who have been quarantined from relationships since adolescence.
And for this my comment has been deleted.
In short, today a man not only does not have the freedom to complain about his condition, because otherwise you are a characterless whiner who does not get busy, but he cannot even report an obvious male-female disparity because otherwise they take you for misogynist. Today the only thing that man can do is shut up, because women are angels who have come down to earth, and if you dare to say a word about it they will silence you by invoking expressions like Patriarcatooooh !!, back to the Middle Ages !! and other amenities from gangrenous leftists. Or they stuff you with psychopaste and psycho-tales, making you pass for a mentally unstable subject and therefore “to be treated”.
But some sacrosanct rights can be left to us males
! Or you have to bite the bullet and pretend that everything is for the best, in the name of politically correct and “volemose tutti bene”

# 95

Former user
April 28, 2020

I understand that this is the setting of the world in which one is forced to live , but it should be remembered that loneliness is like the Ouroboros, it regenerates itself indefinitely in a vicious circle.
Building around a wall of intellect, in order not to end up massacred by the loneliness that is constriction in a prison with an open door that at times becomes a home to support basic physiological needs and then return to acting as a prison not to keep inside but to keep away from the others so as not to affect the “crystal pin”, I do not think it is a very good idea.

# 96

User 591XXX
April 28, 2020

I “you instagram removed my comment because, according to them, it was considered incitement to hatred. What I had said so shocking
that the quarantine is finally leading women to get a taste of what life is like habitual of many men. They are the most damaged because they are unable to go around the bars in search of men more handsome than them as they have practically always done, while the men (with the exception of the most genetically fortunate and rich), know very well loneliness and the inability to receive love and physical contact. Nothing new for us, who have been quarantined from relationships since adolescence.
And that is why my comment has been deleted. ”
you know women are subject to hormonal fluctuations this affects the mood and this leads to reporting comments on instagram.

# 97

User 591XXX
April 28, 2020

User 589158,
I agree with what you wrote,
but sadly we are not very photogenic for dating apps.

# 98

Former user
April 28, 2020

I consider myself ignorant about “apps” or social networks since I don’t use them, but from what you describe it seems to me that
dating apps often look more like a beauty contest, where only the most attractive people get an answer, thus increasing the sense of low self-esteem and social isolation of those who for once decide to get involved, but there are no others platforms where the aesthetic side fails and the personality prevails

# 99

Former user
April 28, 2020

I don’t understand why beauty translates only to a bland aesthetic factor.
Perhaps one should face the real destructive ugliness of this world (animal abuse, child abuse, natural disasters, wars, hatred, etc.) to be able to shake off this superficial and ambiguous concept of beauty.
True, it is not for everyone, but in many cases some see beauty where others cannot find it, so there is and always will be the doubt as to why some people may find something extremely beautiful while others cannot see any beauty in it, for example for me they are social networks or various apps 🙂

# 100

User 591XXX
April 29, 2020

@User 589158,
in modern times the woman using dating apps has greater protection and security in deciding who to approach,
and it is evident that for the halo effect we tend to choose the man who pleases the most: basically tall, handsome to satisfy the intrinsic nature of being “dominated” at least under the sexual aspect then we do not know how outside the thalamus women think,
of course the physical aspect counts but it is obvious that not only this is enough,
but certainly it is decisive in the first impressions.
other apps,
if they are not dating, it seems clear to me that we cannot venture into signing up to try to approach women :).

# 101

Former user
April 29, 2020

Urca, then it’s a bit like buying clothing online, in the window the goods seem to be of quality and
excellent manufacturing then when it is delivered most of the time the size is wrong and the material poor, at least in these purchases there is the right of return 🙂

# 102

User 591XXX
April 29, 2020

yes the function is this,
but in this case are the men in the showcase 🙂
the chances of meeting are reduced to a minimum and we find ourselves on various forums to discuss this :).

# 103

Former User
April 29, 2020

I believe in it, also because it involves a decrease in investment in the relationship: the result is weak and unstable relationships. In the long run, this culture of online dating will mean that people will have increasingly superficial relationships where what matters will be the quantity, not the quality.
I believe there are some things in life that require time, effort and intense dedication. It is what makes us human.
Rightly, everyone acts on what makes him feel better.

# 104

User 124XXX
April 29, 2020

The chances of meeting are reduced to a minimum if you are any ugly / normie.
On Instagram, with my fake of a handsome man, I was able to organize broom dates easily and in a few days, both with single and married women. And among the married, there were no women with 200K followers who love to photograph themselves continuously semi-naked or in winking poses, which one might think are women of easy virtue and available to everyone. No, they were very normal and very covert women, the classic women next door. Shop assistants, barmaids, young mothers aged 30-35. And I stress it was not an app aimed at casual encounters like Tinder, but Instagram.
When we redpillates say that relationships are based on aesthetics and that women are slaves to beauty, they take us for crazy. For a group of out-of-this-world alienated people obsessed with outward appearance. But because many of those who criticize us have no idea what they are talking about. They get to know women through dusty books written at the time of the Bourbon kingdom, or through teenage stories between friends. They have never experienced firsthand how far a woman can get down in front of a pretty face. Many think that women do not like sex, so much so that they call them wooden threads, but they don’t.
A woman in the sphere of influence of an alpha male can do exactly the things you do in front of the girl you like: text first, rewrite and solicit your response, ask you out, sulk, ask you if you want some hot photos of her or what she likes to do in bed.
Those who say that nothing is done online and that women, unlike men, have little or no interest in casual sex, evidently do not know women or online.

# 105

User 124XXX
April 29, 2020

The knowledge that many have of women is based on the mixed reactions between disgust and indifference that they reserve for most of the men who hit on them. Given that 3/4 of their suitors find them repugnant or barely passable, they show themselves indifferent and closed.
But try to put your shy, nice, chilly, few words girl in front of an 8 beef. You won’t recognize her anymore !!

# 106

User 124XXX
April 29, 2020

“but there are no other platforms where the aesthetic side fails and the personality prevails
”
Once there were text chats, mIRC and MSN Messenger, and there the situation was a little less crude, because in the absence of a photo album that told your life day by day, you could play it. A little ‘with the gab, a little’ telling four lies. You could have made yourself up to be the person you weren’t, heartened who is on the other side of the screen.
Today with social media, selfies, smartphones and digital photos, you can’t play this card, because social networks are radiographers of your life. If you are a loser in life, you will appear one online too. On the other hand, if you spend your days closed at home on your PC, or making the commute from home to work, work to home, you want to publish
photos of parties or evenings at the disco in the company of beautiful girls.
Photos at the sea, that the last time you went there was the lira
The photos at the pub downstairs with your 2 friends more unlucky than you
Similarly, those who have beauty, women, success in life, will also appear online. Two selfies, two old photos taken at sea and a sea of ​​women will also arrive through the network.
Rich gets richer, poor gets poorer.
If you’re not at least an aesthetic 7 and don’t want to risk your mental health, it’s best to stay away from any social and dating apps.

# 107

Former User
April 29, 2020

I understand that digital sharing becomes the tool to establish what is presumably true or not and an opportunity to perhaps give meaning to the experience that is being lived in the virtual, but this leads to no longer having faith in one’s ability to make sense. to your emotions and to what you are experiencing in reality.

# 108

This blog is not an incel blog. There are certainly other spaces where to post considerations of this type. Since I do not intend to spend time deleting comments that would be posted despite the invitation not to do so, I close.

# 109

User 591XXX
April 29, 2020

“I believe in it, also because it involves a decrease in investment in the relationship: the result is weak and unstable relationships. In the long run, this culture of online dating will mean that people will have increasingly superficial relationships where what matters will be the quantity , not the quality. ”
that’s right,
and the dominant thinking classifies all of this as modernity,
female achievements reside in the swip up on the dating app,
amen.
obviously I don’t generalize but how difficult it is to meet special people.

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