Gomorrah: the ending explains the addiction to mania

Addiction to mania or: Gomorrah cannot end
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The ending of Gomorrah left, I think, all the fans with a bad taste in their mouth. Even just because it’s over. Some were disappointed with the ending itself. The two heroes, the two darlings, opposed or allied season after season, in the end do not come out on top of each other, but die in the most anonymous of ways. Almost by mistake, it seems that they offer their breasts to death almost without understanding what they have to do, what comes next. And as if suddenly the script ended, on the edge of a cliff: afterwards, nothing.
A far from trivial ending in my opinion, and certainly not a lack of ideas, since they must have thought about it for a long time.
Both protagonists are incarnations of themania . Intermittently, after attempts to contain this thrust which then returns. With various cycles of rise and fall, they always return to confront the initial terrain. Everyone feels that there is an unfinished business, a reason to keep living. A visceral question, of revenge, of self-affirmation .
Each in his own way: on the one hand Gennaro, the son of the boss who has to prove that he is as good as his father, but at the same time, in reality, he is looking for a better father who will welcome him and a mother who will not abandon him. He is looking for a brother who wants to be by his side, whatever happens, and who does not betray him. On the other side is Ciro, the orphan who is sure of the love of his lost mother, but lives to show that the son of the people will be able to take back power from the king’s palace and command in a more just way. Ciro is also looking for a friend, someone who is ready to die for him and not sacrifice him as the “father” / boss does.
Theirs are the so-called prevailing ideas, that is, the one that gnaws at us the most, that pushes us underneath to do what we do, beyond the reasons of the facade or of the moment. And they are also dominant ideas , that is, those that monopolize the internal mental economy, in such a way that no equilibrium can be reached and, at the most, it will be possible to live in the positive tension of those who are about to reach the goal. He touches it for a moment and then loses it, like happiness.
When the craze is on , the characters are driven by a sacred fury . It seems that they are moving towards an unattainable ideal, that “chasing the impossible” that has existed since the time of the Greek tragedy (a-mekanon eran, that is to love the impossible, that is, that cannot be materially obtained, “a-mekanon”) .they sacrifice everything, even their most sacred affections, in order to remain standing . But they will never meet in a decisive way. Because mania never allows you to be at peace with yourself: the more you are “aligned” with yourself, the more something triggers that boycott you.
The pathological euphoric is everyone’s friend and argues with everyone . He builds a tower and destroys it. He gives and steals. He fills and dries up. He touches the sky and sinks into Hell. Gennaro becomes rich and powerful, generously offers work to those who help him, and then uses it or stabs him in the back. Cyrus becomes boss and temporarily overthrows the old king, but at the height of this parable he kills his wife.
We are therefore not talking about the Mania-Depression alternation. The damage is not in the fall from Mania, which we have already talked about. I’m talking about the Mania itself, in which the more the excitement grows, the more unstable, whirling, furious, and ultimately even desperate it becomes . In the old psychiatric literature Bipolar Depression itself was described as if it were a form of inflammation equivalent to Mania, but with a blocking, restraining expression. The “melancholia” (black mood) was a form of mania, a “depressive mania”.
In short, bipolarism is a fever. But returning to normal temperature isn’t easy for someone who has passed that fever. Normal temperature often means purposelessness, cooling, inertia. In short, treating mania and bipolarity still has the knot, difficult to manage, of returning to “normal” normality.
Gennaro and Ciro can live happily as friends, in peace, perhaps rich with all the money they have made
Instead it would seem the most difficult thing. When the mania ends (and this is my interpretation of the end of the series) they finally reconcile, they are finally equal to each other. Even. And this is because the first renounces his happiness with family for his friend (he sacrifices himself), and the other no longer sees him as the son of the boss, but as a friend who wants to command “together” with him, and not using him. When this happens, victory and defeat no longer exist , the king and the soldier, wealth and poverty no longer exist. But it is an ideal. In fact, just when these two positions are realized, the characters switch off, collapse in a few seconds . Suddenly they become mortal, succumb to the first henchman, the first bullet.
The bipolar, without the absurd and extreme script of mania, feels devoid of a plot, a future, a development. He even feels, in some cases, without history. For this reason the characters, who could get along well from the beginning, are looking for the mania that will lead them to shoot at each other. And in the end, to escape this “addiction to mania” they have to somehow give up the dimension that gave them life.
Maybe, if they had done it in the beginning, it would have been easier. But each followed his own path and his mania. Leaving his alter ego “alone” or hurting him.
Depression never compensates for mania by algebraically making it “even”: indeed, depression and mania chase each other endlessly. When the chase is interrupted or blocked, another challenge opens up: writing the script of one’s life at a different speed, without having to win and without aiming for victory.

36 comments

# 1

I find this analysis extremely interesting.
Carla Maria

# 2

User 219XXX
December 27, 2021

Why mania
The manic spectrum does not foresee an outsized euphoric mood, logorrhea, hypertrophic sense of self
Both the protagonists of the series seem to me very cynical, calculating, all concentrated on affirming themselves but sacrificing affections .
Thanks.

# 3

Mania means fury. To make it clear that it is the opposite of depression, one takes the euphoric aspect, which is not so frequent. Mania is a drive that unrealistically leads to sacrifice everything for a purpose that is beyond, often beyond what is possible. Maybe in the past. Maybe in the imagination. And it is contradictory: you are friends of all and even superficial archivists of all, you are grandiose and disrespectful, you build and destroy precisely, to affirm whether in a project that does not include the others, even if it can incorporate them instrumentally. Mania is fundamentally sad seen from the outside, perhaps the closest thing to the end, to death, that can be described. One might say: but how, that is not depression
Also, but it is more a theoretical continuity, in which if something is less and less, less and less, then it comes to nothing, instead in bipolarism this passage is also different: what is more leads to extreme consequences, much more than what is less . The risk of suicide in mixed mania is in fact the highest.

# 4

User 219XXX
December 28, 2021

Thanks for your reply. Said in this way, there is no risk that the term “mania” becomes a nosographic container in which various disorders can coexist.
From the description you give, mania seems to contain a narcissistic personality disorder and a mood disorder. Or it has its own specifics
Excuse the pedantry, but I’m curious :).

# 5

User 648XXX
December 29, 2021

Unfortunately this is the company: if you need help you are attacked, if you are independent you risk losing your job, people have become very aggressive for no reason, they lack solidarity and we have an unsustainable tax burden and a demand of skills xhe needs to be manic; if you are not manic how you work 10 hours a day until old age without knowing if you will have retirement
What plot do you want to write in Italy
That is to isolate everything and see only the mania of others I don’t know but I think be maniacal

# 6

User 641XXX
December 29, 2021

I have sometimes seen mania merge with melancholy
This was written in the late nineteenth century by a well-known French clinician.
I believe there is a great deal of caution in dealing with this disease.
From what I understand
There are deep depressions with accelerated thinking: flight of ideas, of intentions, typical of the excitement of mania, but the mood remains gloomy. Or the person may be anxious, restless, he doesn’t know where to stop, however his mood is negative about him. On the contrary, finally, there can be a form of mania with joy, very high mood, but the thought is stationary and the person does nothing, remains motionless.
Immobility is a common factor
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Often, however, it is confused with depression and treated with the criteria of the latter and not as a mixed state.
Solution
Rely on specialists who can recognize the difference and the Doctor is able to do it.
I haven’t seen the series, so I refrain from saying anything about it.

# 7

In bipolar disorder it is easy that, if the phases are long or if they never have intervals, the personality becomes type B: narcissistic and histrionic if the background temperament is sunny, borderline if it is cyclothymic

# 8

User 641XXX
29 December 2021

We should therefore act on the character which is the only part “possibly modifiable” unlike the temperament that defines the personality.
So to get it back as much as possible in phase A, even if recognizing that normalcy will be “aphasic” for these subjects and move away

# 9

User 648XXX
December 29th 2021

Let’s get to the practical side; living with a borderline or with someone in cluster B with very severe traits means having to deal with very kind people who want to destroy you; I am not very happy to annihilate you; now if the person gets excited about for the very happy and denies the annihilation is idealizing; usually on the outside they are esteemed people; these monsters are socially integrated they isolate people because they fear abandonment and have a strange way of telling reality: they are never responsible; responsible means being exposed to a threat that generates a cry of despair and internal disintegration; these people need to project this experience into others they do not perceive the other from themselves and I can assure you that you are very ill; usually it is good to point out that these people are notsaid xhe are at home with olanzapine but very often they are rampant professionals with haughty traits; they generate in the victims at least to me a dissociation between role and person because these people identify with the role demolishing and devastating any human expression of affection; their xoping it is that of a defective, clumsy child, a child that is to say emotionally destroyed a sadistic parent and an anaffective Savior; these people destroy your mind also because they usually accuse you of what they think; there is no linear thought and you can only be one sponge or alternatively one who minds his own business; usually these monsters have an excellent career devastating those they meet in private life; and ‘difficult to understand a kind person who yells at you x what terrible inventions x what you (in reality ‘it is he or she) have done; usually they run to third parties frightened by the violence of people who have not acted anything; usually we find ourselves surrounded from family members sometimes you can find yourself in front of a judge and you cannot know how it goes and especially after this ordeal the support of psychotherapy is reduced to a simplification of the victim who would have addictive coping; in essence, believing in people too wonderful to be true is very dangerous for the mind, I can assure you that being able to work creating your own life after the relationship or the assistance of one of these subjects (Mother Father but also a Friend or not know a Doctor ..) generates a very severe psychological frailty;in essence they destroy the narrative capacity and all the cognitive and emotional functions because they burst with anger as soon as you open the word and threaten you by showing themselves very kind on the outside. sustain a basic cognitive error or that it is not others who are like this but you see them because it is a bit like saying that your point of view is not humanly recognizable; contact with people like this generates despair anguish and a sense of destruction because unfortunately a destructive gentile, a lover who hates you, a Boss who esteems you by destroying you are very common personalities; ambivalence and ambiguity are very common traits and usually those who are linear are attacked by these subjects;a linear person who tends to be good and helpful and empathic is the favorite subject of these monsters; a Doc has arisen for me and I hope to save myself even if I have bipolarphobia and I look manically outside for the types who could still break me up with those tremendous screams of despair and exaggerated and sudden outbursts of anger based on nothing; they usually know very well to argue to redefine you an incapable but also a mentally ill and they usually destroy your memories your history even facts that happened or events; they haunt you that you were wrong to understand to feel to perceive; the ending is to go to the psychiatrist xhe usually in a very very cold way will give you a therapy that unfortunately will almost never be of much use but you will find out later.Roughly this happens with the contact with the borderline that drive you crazy; it’s like having no more ways out and you are exposed to an infinite drama.

# 10

User 641XXX
December 29, 2021

You create the drama from the moment you accept the disease.
In your words, I see a kind of protection and love, towards the person to whom this message is really addressed and at the same time
a kind of confusion and contradiction due to the disease itself, but underline a real affirmation of affection and of putting in guard (the aforementioned person) from you precisely for understanding the disease.
This disease is subtle and confusing but it is not said that if you try to explain you will not understand it.

# 11

User 648XXX
December 29, 2021

Look sincerely, I don’t know … I only know that being the object of hyper-idealization and ferocious devaluation between screams of pain and screams of anger has caused me a lot of discomfort; I don’t say that the world is roses and flowers but it cannot be Gomorrah and unfortunately with these little subjects you live very badly I would say; surely people like me who are very empathic oratory type must be very careful not to confuse cognitive empathy with affective one because by dint of being traumatized unfortunately you understand the damage later; only then you understand what happens to your mind

# 12

User 641XXX
December 29, 2021 Do you

remember Don Abbondio when he said “Carneade who was he
”
Don Abbondio in front of this word so obscure that even many cultured people do not understand.
The stigma is always and above all combined with the discourses on mental illnesses that would need everything, apart from obscurity, there are so many prejudices that weigh on them.
Stigma means brand, labeling.
It is said and written that for psychiatric diseases it is necessary to fight the stigma that surrounds them and that weighs on the sick. And the social condemnation, the blame, the claim that these disorders have no remedy and are dangerous, and, for those suffering from these disorders as often for their families it means shame, sense of guilt, they need to isolate themselves. Or disappear.
Psychiatric illnesses are all put in a cauldron, without distinction. And we live in a collective imagination born of films in which the psychiatrist is always described as a sadist or a speck. That said, there are good answers for many diseases, patients don’t walk around sedated with their eyes fixed, which modern drugs don’t. But there was no educational investment.
You define it as the ‘error between the distinction between affective and cognitive empathy’, I believe that real empathy (excessive abuse of the term) is found in rare people, the one that perhaps has misled your path and the abuse and use of social networks, which apparently support you but actually annihilate.

# 13

User 641XXX
December 29, 2021

I wrote the letter to Santa Claus 🙂 now that you suggest I do I am
writing to the head of state, who among other things will soon be changed, to my political leader who is lost among the fresh branches or I request a meeting with Papa
Since I won’t lose, I invented something;) if the Doctor gets bored the consultation will close 🙂

# 14

User 648XXX
December 29th 2021

I would say that it is a text that attracts bipolar and bipolararifobics ..

# 15

User 641XXX
December 29th 2021

So nothing and lost it missing, excellent 🙂
The opposite of stigma is knowledge. If the brain, instead of absorbing the distorted associations on psychiatric disorders, is aware of the real connections, we are already facing a cure.
🙂

# 16

User 648XXX
January 01, 2022

Well, happy new year..no if you don’t think more about ste shit but to have a family to find you a job and friends I would say that it would be much better to marvel in the Third Person of Self by repeating xosa Therapists say with grandiose entrances .. people are fine when they send the Therapist to that country they don’t talk about these things and make their lives; talking obsessively about their own ailments is a way to digress from the concrete problem

# 17

User 641XXX
02 January 2022

I see that you are starting to let go of the beliefs and prejudices that you created for yourself and mistakenly make them your absolute creed.
And Happy New Year to you too .
Hi

# 18

“You create the drama from the moment you accept the disease.”
Nobody accepts diseases. He tolerates them. And to accept them he must see them. Psychic illnesses are partly not seen, the reading sheet is involved. It is like a parliamentarian who has to give up the annuity and discounts. Needless to say, he should give it up and put it on the program. Who then throws away the money that rains on him
So the prediction is that certain diagnoses involve a lack of awareness.

# 19

User 641XXX
January 02, 2022

A mental illness is different from a physical disability
I don’t think, the only difference is visibility itself, one is visible the other is hidden in the world that no one would want to see because over the centuries there is a prejudice that is still in the lap of non-awareness.
Money
Those come and go and always has been and always will be.
Then it always depends on the priorities that one has, the money
Boh, it will make the superficial life easier but not the emotional one.

# 20

User 641XXX
January 02, 2022

My prediction
The clouds will dissolve and the light will come, for everyone

This depends on the attitude each one takes.
Excess of optimism
No, realism mixed with perseverance.
One thing I just can’t tolerate is mistrust mixed with resignation.
I know and my fault that I accept.

# 21

Yes, the moment you don’t know it disables it and experiences it differently. But the opening sentence referred to whether there is a choice as to whether to accept or not. No, sometimes it’s not there because to accept you have to know that there is a problem.

# 22

User 641XXX
January 02, 2022 Maturity

is a vase that empties of illusions and is filled with serene acceptances.
The choice is given by the indecision to face the problem or it is used as the easiest way to remain in the impasse because it is the most convenient and the least inconvenient.
Proof of this is that most of the users who ask for a consultation recognize that they have a problem but there are those who attack her with gratuitous offenses or at worst they would like to do it yourself.

# 23

User 648XXX
02 January 2022

Okay but cmq in the end if a person puts himself in the shoes of bipolar this speech has a weight if instead it relativizes I would say that we are out of the disease.For me the psychiatrist is a physiotherapist of the mind and knows that usually those who abuse projective identification, i.e. identify too much, lose contact with reality; the madman puts himself in Napoleon’s shoes to compensate for the fragmentation and then they speak through delirium

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User 641XXX
02 January 2022

Putting oneself in “someone’s shoes” does not mean passively accepting their alleged or verified “delirium”.
Relativism could give you a chance to see yourself differently to be able to take a break from your self for a breath of fresh air at least for a while.
Of course, and that if relativism were to turn into panculturalism we would be faced with a great and Big problem.

# 25

User 648XXX
January 02, 2022

If to talk about you I need you to do so but I simplified something different; in my opinion you are not bipolar but you too have the doc; it is unlikely that a bipolar cares about his bipolarity, indeed he doesn’t give a shit; if a person has an autofocus on himself with an unknown image to look for he has the doc; everything starts from the fear of destroying his own social image, i.e. the person in front of a performance imagines an angry public (social me) for the image that he gives or could give; in public performances the anxiety is precisely the fact of having an ego that imagines itself as a social ego and he has an image of himself to protect; the higher the consideration of himself the more you can collapse and if you collapse and well you react with fragmentation to that stress;then a very ridiculous thing happens that is the mind starts to reason at least to me it happened so on the destructive impulse that is the feeling of contact before the collapse but you always need a very aggressive imagined social ego; in Therapy they often use the Super ego and they say things that in my opinion are misleading for which the person learns to look at himself in the third person with this autofocus and a very violent external social ego; in reality the healthy mind doesn’t work just like that or rather it doesn’t just work like this ; now when you collapse you start looking for the image that made you collapse but you are in the disease as Pacini says; I understood the solution by going to doctor Ruggiero; I went there and he talked to me about dissociation but while he was speaking I structured in a few according to who I was in front of and thereI said to myself but if I am dissociated as the heck it is possible that my attention was on details, concepts and person
When I got out after a few days mah..I had a depressive hit and again the disease disappeared; boooh..then you do the therapy but when you don’t care about your illness anymore you are healed; boredom comes when you understand the equation of the disease but it serves a lot of cu..lo; the terror always arises for the possibility that your image collapses the higher it is the more you have to work to be who you want to be but if you want to be Napoleon in a magical way here is the craze arrives; you can seriously commit to becoming a good general of the armed forces you do the competition you commit yourself you play it and you realize yourself but be careful one thing is to realize something else is to identify with a dream; it is as if zalone said I want the steady job at Batman; the manic is wanting to be theemotion you feel when as a child you identified with fantastic characters; I loved Batman my favorite character but if I use Batman to refuel myself narcissistically I’m making a mess; with this I’m not saying that seeing the fantastic 4 and having reactions of joy is bipolar indeed but I’m saying that if you want to be Batman in the world that is to give others this emotion we are in the manic; we only feel it when we have sex but it doesn’t last long … it’s a moment then you return to perceive reality in the way that Pacini says which has very specific limits but be careful to self-perceive them under threat of fragmentation because then it happens to feel special guarded by Himself and we return to the obsessive cage that if it implodes and or explodes again generates a destructive cycle. I hope I have given you a general picture ..then okay if one day I have an honorary degree in Psychiatry I will be happy; I wanted to be a doctor and I wanted to be a psychologist but my parents imposed jurisprudence on me under threat; I am a bit unhappy for not having really realized myself but the passion for the mind it came later although I accept the frustration and with my boring degree I act within the limits of my tastes

# 26

User 641XXX
02 January 2022

Interesting analysis, especially the part of Batman, but with all the fantastic characters who created because Batman, and in the common collective imagination of bipolar

# 27

User 648XXX
02 January 2022

Aspe ‘I wrote it straight away so it seems detached in one point but the sense is that if you put yourself in the shoes of another thought by another with an image of another, there is trouble; the number one enemy is the narcissist when he is in the Up role position; these subjects if you contradict them on something even if you are technically right well … the discussion takes on the contours of a dialectical war where you lose for a variety of reasons: they falsify the data they use the meanings in a ambiguous and you feel invaded but if you have worked well with a very bad psychiatrist well you must always avoid reacting a lot to whatever you say they have peaks of anger and discharge violence;if you absorb it then the peak of anger is internalized and their social images invade you and your fear reaction starts inside you which then degenerates into fragmentation; they use the rhetoric of the impossible, scolding you violently; what you get into your mind they are violent images full of anger and hysterical peaks; if you have good psychic contours you don’t put yourself in the shoes of what they want you to be; for these monsters the images are ideal and if you don’t realize what they have in mind they always attack with a cycle that is identified with OCD only against a person; they want you to identify with a person exposed to a violent collective social ego; if you listen to them, depersonalization arrives;they commit many cognitive errors like they take sources and magnify the values ​​and then protest; for example, here above often the psychiatrists of the site are attacked using the source of Scientology which is funny; if you see the answers the doctor redefines and hardly ever goes to clash; the psychiatrist must always stimulate the disease they always do so and they always send you to the limit of stress because if you exceed the limit you see yourself; obviously if you are in neurosis; in psychosis it is impossible because the psychic container is poured into. real, that is, what I imagine or dream or think becomes the reality for which they come down from the house and see absurd things; to overcome the doc I have exposed myself to dialogues with schizophrenics, that is to expose myself to the fear that I had with the relationship with another from me in psychosis; it isit was very hard but I believe that only by tolerating exposure you can heal; reacting differently to dramatic events is the solution, that is to understand that they have passed and never come back if you understand that what happened to you has passed; tik tok a example of how it is the period of the absurd: You are gay
No, but mom knows you’re gay
… if he answers yes or no he is in trouble but if he is attentive he realizes that he has already answered: No. I understand how the mind is
You must have structure not to be volatile

# 28

User 648XXX
January 02, 2022

Ma.nn talk like Jung says! Batman I liked as a kid that’s all..Jung what the hell did he know about Batman
Nothing … except that Jung was totally crazy; these here weren’t really in mental health; Jung just said a good thing that is the identification but he was anyway from the outside he was completely crazy; my illness led me to study everything jung understood but if you don’t understand that you are studying and speaking as another (the therapist) tells you you do not overcome the problem; if the other cannot be wrong and you must have an impeccable image you have structured a way of functioning as a child; if the other attacks you it is not the other who attacks you but it is you who infuriated him! entrance of the Third;unlike what Recalcati says that I hate the Third saves us because the symbiosis of primary narcissism destroys us; always praise the cazziatone of the Big Other from Us; at that moment our Self must die and rebuild and go into the beloved adulthood collapsing the idealizations dies the mania must die and the parents see them for what they are Superheroes without special powers; with narcissistic and borderline parents it is more difficult adulthood comes much later but if you feel it it’s a crazy cool not to be manic ; you have no idea how beautiful it is to be an adult, that is, you in you are only you and you recognize yourself; it is something that people do not always do everyone is quite narcissistic and borderline today but if you structure the other inside you cannot destroy it and inside the other can’tdestroy yourself; this awareness allows you moderate security and when someone threatens you you always focus on the object; never be the problem of something ka solve what seems like a problem to you; never absorb the other who almost always has an attitude aggressive or alternatively punishes you suddenly 3 when you answer he talks like an abandoned or destroyed child; they disorganize the mind but if you learn to be attentive to reality instead of falling asleep passively well .. you learn to do your own thing without wasting time in useless fights ; we need trained psychiatrists and in my opinion they must get rid of the therapists because in order to make a patient understand that the other in the Up Position cantake it for a ride to be ambiguous ambivalent and use the language of paradox (with logic you can’t dismantle it as the example above) then you get better. 100% mental health depends on knowledge of language, good emotional control and attention to other when your amygdala signals dissonance to you; it is not necessary to react like the borderline screaming but to understand that the one there is another and you can calmly not think like him or alternatively act as the other says by pointing out that if errors come out the responsibility is his; usually they deny but if you tell them first in a tone that you have to learn from psychiatrists you create boundary; the psychiatrist is very helpful in learning to deal with scum in the up position100% mental health depends on the knowledge of language from a good emotional control and attention to the other when your amygdala signals dissonance; you don’t need to react like the borderline screaming but understand that there is another and you can serenely do not think like him or alternatively act as the other says by pointing out that if errors come up the responsibility is his; usually they deny it but if you tell them first in a tone that you have to learn from psychiatrists you create boundaries; the psychiatrist is very useful to learn how to deal with scum in the up position100% mental health depends on the knowledge of language from a good emotional control and attention to the other when your amygdala signals dissonance; you don’t need to react like the borderline screaming but understand that there is another and you can serenely do not think like him or alternatively act as the other says by pointing out that if errors come up the responsibility is his; usually they deny it but if you tell them first in a tone that you have to learn from psychiatrists you create boundaries; the psychiatrist is very useful to learn how to deal with scum in the up positionanother and you can serenely not think like him or alternatively act as the other says by pointing out that if errors come up the responsibility is his; usually they deny it but if you tell them first in a tone that you have to learn from psychiatrists you create boundaries; psychiatrist is very helpful in learning how to deal with scum in the up positionanother and you can serenely not think like him or alternatively act as the other says by pointing out that if errors come up the responsibility is his; usually they deny it but if you tell them first in a tone that you have to learn from psychiatrists you create boundaries; psychiatrist is very helpful in learning how to deal with scum in the up position

# 29

No, no, nobody “puts themselves” in anyone’s shoes with a purpose or an end. This is an interpretive theory which presupposes a mind as an organ, acting behind and occultly. Who is delirious, delirious. It doesn’t take place. It does and it is. We do not choose not to be delirious, nor do we choose to be delirious. It is not “a way to” counter fragmentation, and a manifestation if anything of fragmentation, but we are talking about schizophrenia in this case.
You see, one sensed that behind there was an idea that the sick person is a kind of healthy person who is imprisoned in a disease for a defense mechanism. No, he is a sick person, very trivially.

# 30

User 219XXX
January 03, 2022

In what sense is delusion an aspect of fragmentation
AND what is
Thanks.

# 31

User 648XXX
January 03, 2022

Fragmentation is the subjective internal experience of contact implosion such as to determine a disintegration of all one’s cognitive and metacognitive faculties; for reflection I speak for myself it was reacting to an event that cannot be subsumed in a representative key because it is sudden violent and not understandable. and of such magnitude as to annihilate and demolish your sense of yourself, your social allocation, your role and your imaginative representation in the world; when this event happens internally you implode and the effects arrive later when you are unable to self-relate and narrate with severe damage on the executive level; it can also happen due to cumulative damage, i.e. by contact with others from you who continually do what in English is called to mob i.e.tumultuously invade your life with an emergency alternating shrieks of despair and outbursts of anger … in the long run by dint of absorbing that indefinite human dimension if it is not recategorized in a sense perspective it explodes again under stress; this problem arises when you are always on alert and when you think dreams, desires or act you are continuously invalidated so the sense of you must collapse as you are forced to emotionally regulate yourself through the other; the other as soon as he is no longer there the fragmentation reappears which is a pain very very strong; I know him very well but when you get used to psychically dying then you understand that wasting time on it is useless; whoever commits suicide is often not depressed but he is bipolar because he lives the experience as in the movie Joe Black;death comes to keep you company which is a very specific endopsychic emotion of internal self-healing to which the person reacts by escaping into the paradox of escaping death thought by dying while alive; if the bipolar understood that that emotion has already been experienced, that is There has already been fragmentation and it is proposed again in the present with respect to a current, present or future problem that can be solved or not solved, it could understand that instead of reacting to fragmentation it should react to the problem in front of it to solve it and if it cannot be solved accept it humanly (as in mourning or in the event of bad health news); the fault is also of communication and of our way of life which tends to put concrete behaviors in brackets and to attack the person isolating him as a problem of himself;when a subject believes in this way of dialogue and relives something he has already experienced as a child, he exposes himself to the disintegration of the Self; I don’t know why he often wanted to go through that pain, perhaps to tell me I am stronger than fragmentation but in reality it is It is stupid to ask yourself how you reacted in there and then with respect to something but it would make more sense to say that something you can tell itsense to say that something you can tellsense to say that something you can tell
The Bipolar may be autobiographical
at least for my contact experience it seems to mean that we are all condemned to death so what sense would it be to live
It is very biblical nn by chance they often put Satan and Jesus in the middle; there is talk of splitting but I believe that at the entrance into adulthood something goes wrong, that is the person without the containment of the family of origin is at the ‘hell’ that is, they are like children who discover themselves with the sign of the Beast; it is a symbolic way to explain the trauma of the Bipolar that turns and turns and always puts in the middle Demons Saints and Madonnas; in my opinion it happens because they have to verbalize in some way the collapse of primary narcissism which, while it maintains in a narcissistic structure and thus holds in the Borderline in the Bipolar, jumps right without reaching schizophrenia; I have sought the explanation perhaps to control this contact experience to which I have reacted with the fragmentation, that is ‘with this implosion; as soon as you manage to tell it to develop without that pathos and you manage to live your life then you are healing yourself, that is, you are no longer interested in the disease; cmq they are heavy emotions that ordinary people usually experience close to events tragic not 24 hours a day regardless of everything; if you react to job loss as a man reacts to the news of having 1 month of life the emotions should be different although what psychologists say (acceptance) well … usually not acceptable because it seems that you are punishing someone who is dying of his obstinacy not to want to feel dead; for me someone who is 1 month old if he takes drugs he fucks the impossible and eats all cards all in all he reacts to death in a different way from that who instead lies in bed between Psychiatrist and Priest: accept it!It’s life … well vaffancu..big way I believe that the bipolar reaction like the one I don’t know of the director Di Parenti Serpenti is all there; in the disturbance I believe that psychic death counts a lot to which we oppose with the euphoria of live to the fullest feeling dead

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User 648XXX
03 January 2022

Anyway Dr. Pacini thanks for the answer; I still find it hard to handle the li and then; I’m under Dr. Ruggiero’s therapy but it doesn’t seem to work, let’s hope less worse; but one who wants to fit in to try to define himself in a category but what is it
Wanting to be a category and then feeling destroyed internally in not being that category; that is, I have a strange mechanism, that is the desire to be a categorical wall; I explain it by turning over xio is a parent who yells at you that you are not a Notary if caught literally generates a Punishment for not being that categorical structure; then if we like to be a notary if we know how to do it if we want to do it it doesn’t matter you have to be that thing and if you are not you absorb anger; the result is identification in the object xosa and absorbed anger for not being that thing idolized by everyone … but this psychic idiocy that I did as a child but that is
Projective identification in the wall

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User 648XXX
03 January 2022

Pardon forget the question … enough questions; I can say this the mind I don’t know why it insists on bringing you back to the scene and making you relive the trauma in a constant and continuous way … I don’t know why it does this; probably in the there and then I reacted badly; resuming one’s life is very painful especially it does not help redefining and explaining which I often use; at the moment I usually leave the house to give myself time to feel the trauma or rather how I reacted to the explosion of my delirium mom and the total destruction of my family and I reassure myself … I tell myself ok it’s the mode of the child thrown out of the house or mistreated or threatened to throw him out … it’s that desperation there; I can cancel it
No … if I did I would foreclose and make a mess and then it remains for me to thermoregulate my emotional reactivity; I am 41 years old and I have no work experience behind me … what I do
Desperate child
No, I tell myself that I had to make many sacrifices to nn blow up a house and nn it’s my fault; and if I’m sick
I have been used to being attacked if I did not feel well or if I asked for affection well I use the mode of the Silent Protector of Semerari and accept what they have done to me; on the metacognitive and executive level I hope for a support of the quietapina and for the rest I try not to react as before by controlling or rather hypercontrolling myself as a special supervised; then there is the dissociation, another big problem that I learned by witnessing the live dramatic fragmentation of the Caregiver (oh my oh my oh my mom is dying) and then the destruction of every emotion (when desperate I asked I help the ASL and I found myself doctors who did not react emotionally); in 96 at 16 I was a boy with an average of 9 from a good family and I felt loved albeit with a thousand compromises;in 1999 nothing existed anymore I was Caregiver of a person in psychosis; it was also difficult to accept that my mother’s pathology was not understood by the doctors because she hid it very well until then everything came out; total isolation friends disappeared and well ..nn I know the emotion I felt I think it was similar to that of a scream of pain so deep that mah .. maybe only Our Lady before Christ could have understood me; this is how my OCD begins and now that I I’m breaking away from it well … losing the disease paradoxically means losing the reaction to your own story; in reality you don’t lose anything just try to go on having an internal experience of human pain that cannot be said;I felt too much pain to be a sixteen year old and today at 41 although I come out devastated by this story I remain disgusted by the institutions, tired very tired and I no longer believe in the values ​​I had; I was convinced like Jenny that you (Asl) were coming to Save me ‘and instead nothing .. I was a good person, very intelligent and with an impeccable education but it didn’t help at all: only with a drama.
Yes, of course, they sell books .. Macche
‘family .. Ex husband
I’m a victim! Psychiatrist
Think of you.This is the story that we often read in children and well if it were a story like all of them I would probably react by crystallizing myself into an object or reliving the freezing that costs the real until it becomes ghostly and that if you try to break you are at a I pass from psychosis; there usually the fantastic 4 of the Mind come to lend a hand: the Psychiatrists who, as far as they say they are doctors, will remain my heroes but only those who do not work in public services; I’m sorry but the level at least in the South it is tragic but truly tragic.When you live such beautiful and good traumatic experiences, reality switches off and you feel like you are in bricks: it is panic or rather the fear of fear; this iswhat I know about mental illness then I could make discussions on DSM and bipolar disorder but it would only be a way to compensate for a lack of recognition in the concrete world of Work The curious thing is that healthy people have a different brain, that is, they move towards goals not like us who are on our backs to observe ourselves to understand nn you know what..that you don’t know how to walk alone that’s all; knowing how to act knowing how to move knowing knowing how to move this healthy but social skills and experiences are needed; people like me they are very intelligent but they don’t know how to use their own mental structure and ‘like being pacifiers or donkeys of themselves; who are theythey move for objectives not like us who are on our stomachs observing ourselves to understand you don’t know what … experiences; people like me are very intelligent but they don’t know how to use their own mental structure and ‘like being pacifiers or donkeys of themselves; who they arethey move for objectives not like us who are on our stomachs observing ourselves to understand you don’t know what … experiences; people like me are very intelligent but they don’t know how to use their own mental structure and ‘like being pacifiers or donkeys of themselves; who they are
Booh .. what do you want to do Booh
.. what are your goals
Booh but it happens because to know who you are where you want to go you want to act which means having responsibility knowing how to be alone etc etc you need social life experience: here is the real deficit in my opinion

# 34

User 648XXX
January 04, 2022

Anyway dear user to me the story of the stigma nn convinces; the fact of saying that it is a disease is not enough to justify violence insults threats; this is something that I have always explained to the psychiatrist that to isolate the person from specific behaviors that would be questionable is an error; the sense of reality is based precisely on the awareness of the behaviors and a bipolar has unacceptable absurd and brutal behaviors; then that he despairs makes him a sick person but it remains that whoever breaks through everything breaks through everything and that conduct must be inhibited, if we start to say poor bipolar and we give the family what happened to me then well .. three families against and the ASL that professionally uses the existing rules that have a practical sense equal to zero;currently it is said that the patient must be aware of his illness which is crazy and therefore the patient has the freedom to treat himself as long as it does not harm the community; then this paradox happens that in relation to events after all does not so serious these people suffer enormous violence, retraumatizing them and creating damage; now psychiatry evokes the terror of putting ourselves in the shoes of someone who has not done anything wrong and suffers something similar to the torture of the secret services of a rogue state; in the past the Psychiatry has had a very strong politicized component, often from the right and often from the left, but this image of people who do nothing and are attacked isfalse or rather they are people who are then attacked by the Public Force without a criterion of proportionality and we represent this scene with anxiety and fear and anguish and why not we can also react by fragmenting ourselves to these violent scenes but it remains that the big problem is that There are no adequate rules because the very premise of saying that the sick person doesn’t exist is an error; the sick person exists and also to argue that, after all, those who get sick are cool is another madness of the Media; here we have come to say that if you are bipolar wow then you are a geniusan error; the sick person exists and how to argue that after all who gets sick is cool is another madness of the Media; here we came to say that if you are bipolar wow then you are a geniusan error; the sick person exists and how to argue that after all who gets sick is cool is another madness of the Media; here we came to say that if you are bipolar wow then you are a genius
But when ever but here genius … that is, people are so ignorant idiot and then there is this thaumaturgic fantasy of Red Cross love; keep them in your homes these Diabolical Angels these Furious Puppies who take you back harshly if you say something delirious ..AH..the dictator is furious if no deliriums! This is the picture. This disease is very frustrating

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User 641XXX
January 04 2022

Perhaps the mistake here is that of wanting to continue to use today, inside a different theoretical context, terms coined almost a century ago within a specific conception that attributed to them meanings dependent on that context.
This may give the reassuring idea that this theory has identity and continuity over time, but it leads to confusion.
The doctor’s contribution is aimed at intervening on it in a curative sense, the so-called “fireball” that no one wanted before, now burns less, and can be taken up by the patient But this is the point: the patient only gets it back later who saw that the doctor was able to hold it because it is the intervention of the doctor that can make the process take one direction rather than another and this is possible because the doctor is in any case a person different from the patient, and so he will necessarily react to the experience of coming into contact with that part in a slightly different way.
All this to say, to rely on your caregiver and not on “do it yourself”.

User 648XXX
January 04, 2022

So my friend, I am very hard and cynical for Psychiatry with a strong impact; for me Psychiatrists are like personal trainers of the mind and if you can’t take the drug but the goal is to keep the mind in extreme situations without reacting as it is usual to react; when I read you I immediately realize how your mind occupies the space; beyond the DSM that I know by heart and I know a lot the problem is knowing how to use the mind in a dialectical way when it quarrels, knowing how to present yourself in the space as if with a social ego and knowing how to move towards personal goals and objectives perceived as fulfilling or anyway if not satisfying anyway necessary and therefore meaningful; the problem of those who speak as you speak is that in my opinion you don’t remember that it happened something that violently attacked access to the symbolic,stunned you and shortly afterwards the images in which you mirrored yourself collapsed; when this happens as it happened to me, that is suddenly you were a son and your image as a son collapses, you were a brilliant student and suddenly you lose your position acquired at the university you were a beloved friend of many and they all disappear with the entry into the social world and in the meantime you have a destroyed family that attacks you at this point it can happen that collapsing the image of yourself collapsing your social world collapsing the whole mind protect yourself by encysting this explosion that implodes inside; essentially to see yourself you need an image of another because you are orphaned of the image of yourself and you start a search like that of Oedipus who then knows a lot about narcissus who then knows a lot about the borderline;whoever is like this goes to the psychiatrist with a question they don’t know: who I am
The answer would be in your name and surname but the patient does not realize how he reacts to his name and surname; you see when in 96 my family and the expectation of a guardian state collapsed as I had imagined it in mine. beloved liceo classico I have seen indeed they mirror the total destruction of the person I have most loved on earth; my mistake was not to understand that I reacted with the fragmentation to the fragmentation of another; it must be understood that mirroring does not mean getting confused, that is when Winnicot speaks of disorganized mirroring does not say that the child reacts to a reaction of the mother in the world; the trauma or a series of trauma lies in the inability to detach from it because the trauma is the only way to speak in the world because the alternative would be terrible ;mental illness is a way of being in the world in front of a pain that is enormous; I know it by reflection I know what my mother experienced I understand it and I know what effects it has had; the impotence in not being able to have mine mother as it was before and acceptance was the only way to get back to being there; Pacini often says that it doesn’t make any logical sense in reality, the sense has it because if someone is dying you love immensely by nature and it is healthy you try in every way to save that body or soul or mind but you cannot and this experience destroys the access to the symbolic to the magical to the imagination and to the perception of one’s body;I understood and I know what effects it had; the impotence in not being able to have my mother as she was before and acceptance was the only way to be there again; Pacini often says that it doesn’t make any logical sense in reality the sense has it because if someone is dying that you love immensely by nature and is healthy you try in every way to save that body or soul or mind but you can’t and this experience destroys the access to the symbolic to the magical to the imagination and to the perception of one’s own body;I understood and I know what effects it had; the impotence in not being able to have my mother as she was before and acceptance was the only way to be there again; Pacini often says that it doesn’t make any logical sense in reality the sense has it because if someone is dying that you love immensely by nature and is healthy you try in every way to save that body or soul or mind but you can’t and this experience destroys the access to the symbolic to the magical to the imagination and to the perception of one’s own body;healthy you try in every way to save that body or soul or mind but you cannot and this experience destroys the access to the symbolic to the magical to the imagination and to the perception of one’s body;healthy you try in every way to save that body or soul or mind but you cannot and this experience destroys the access to the symbolic to the magical to the imagination and to the perception of one’s body;
yes it is possible but you must have the courage not to react to the stimuli (reactions of others, role positions, thoughts, etc.) as you now usually do; you must practice fighting, you must learn to accept paradoxical language, you must stop asking for a just world and to break internally for an unjust world, you have to understand that you are not a fantastic image, you have to learn to give yourself rules rules limits and accept failure and experience a lot of experience to say yes I am the one there; the individuation nn ends never but mental illness blocks this experience; it often happens when you have a punitive parent an abandoned mother who creates pain in seeing her so much anger to swallow to make her feel happy but all this is ill understood
It is not by entrenching yourself in a student who fights for bipolar rights that you reveal your authentic self that has been buried walled alive by violence; acknowledge that you have been mistreated and that those who despair at how disgusting you are unworthy for no reason must do you understand that you were a victim then you reacted in a certain way but now it is no longer that time; you are dead then not now, understand
Mental illness is a bit like astronomy arrives in the present something that broke a long time ago but the light we see today that makes you talk today does not belong to this time; I hope you can rebuild that is to chew digest the trauma that is always three-dimensional, that is, it happens in the space that occupies something that is so devastating to transpose it to shatter your self in which there are many functions and many mechanisms; the constant screams if you do not contextualize the other as a whole that is, who is yelling at you that conduct contests why mi (to mob) tumultuously invades me you cannot structure a cohesive self; the other one you have to see in full not in pieces; it is difficult with those of cluster B because they interrupt and not they dialogue but are committed to finding theaccess to your symbolic to destroy it and make you as I believe you are now here; I think I understand how you are and I tell you two things: 1 you cannot anticipate what another thinks as absolute certainty, 2 it is not that by reflecting yourself in the image of bipolar you find yours identity; I don’t think you are, but I think you have suffered a very strong trauma xhe is a way of reacting that is all; taking up the example of Dr. Pacini jenny when he comes back from Brazil he says to his mother: I hoped that you would come to safety ‘1 you cannot anticipate what another thinks as an absolute certainty, 2 it is not that by reflecting yourself in the image of bipolar you will find your identity; you are not, I believe but I believe that you have suffered a very strong trauma because it is a way of reacting everything here; the example of Dr. Pacini jenny when he comes back from Brazil he says to his mother: I hoped you would come to my rescue ‘! But nothing Jenny did piece her companions you in a symbolic way you have to kill the internalizations of yours parents of those you have to disobey if you want to be an adult, understood1 you cannot anticipate what another thinks as an absolute certainty, 2 it is not that by reflecting yourself in the image of bipolar you will find your identity; you are not, I believe but I believe that you have suffered a very strong trauma because it is a way of reacting everything here; the example of Dr. Pacini jenny when he comes back from Brazil he says to his mother: I hoped you would come to my rescue ‘! But nothing Jenny did piece her companions you in a symbolic way you have to kill the internalizations of yours parents of those you have to disobey if you want to be an adult, understoodPacini jenny when he comes back from Brazil says to his mother: I was hoping you would come to my rescue ‘! But nothing.Jenny has made his companions piece piece you in a symbolic way you have to kill the internalizations of your parents of those to whom you owe disobey if you want to be an adult, got itPacini jenny when he comes back from Brazil says to his mother: I was hoping you would come to my rescue ‘! But nothing.Jenny has made his companions piece piece you in a symbolic way you have to kill the internalizations of your parents of those to whom you owe disobey if you want to be an adult, got it
But it is internal you have to understand that in space you are the one who moves without hoping for the psychiatrist who does the magic to you; it is a long process but psychotherapy is needed but the hard cynical heavy one that is exhausting to train on all fronts, that is when you speak face to face in the social context in the family in the professional one, always remaining themselves in the change; it is essential to recognize oneself while changing, instead, those who have suffered trauma cannot have this flexibility because they have this fixed autofocus or if they collapse they react with the Mania which is a way of reacting to an unsustainable event; for example, after the separation the caregiver returned to 1990 it seems perfectly normal but if you start prodding her beyond the robotic patterns of functioning she is delirious.She doesn’t want to take care of herself and outside they don’t notice it roughly so I don’t give her pain if she wants to live like this and she’s fine with it that’s okay but I had to give up on my mom forever. as it was before but as Freud says once you have seen your ghosts they must be buried.The pain it gave me was like feeling a woman who heals herself alive in herself to destroy herself and not be able to do anything. taken away the disease sucked from within as if it had buried itself in itself and then imploded and found myself a different person; if I read it as a stroke I accept it but it has created many problems for me about the sense of self of the ego on the granite ‘Me and my certainties; I never thought that all this could happen to me but I will not allow’never that a mentally ill is perceived as mentally ill; he must not know it because you give them unjust pain and mortification; it is very painful to watch helplessly but the thing you cannot do but for yourself is to die with those you love for nn leave her alone walled up alive inside in that body; they are excruciating sensations indeed emotions and well …. you must know that the sick person will never be able to understand his tragedy but the familiar yes. inside a bipolar person … everything you believe in vanishes you just want to die but then you think that the mother you loved is just dead. unspeakable wickedness but kest is life; I don’t know how psychiatrists manage but sooner or later they will explain it to meI don’t know how psychiatrists manage but sooner or later they will explain it to me

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